Small boat crossings

[Harry Bloomfield]

However, the law specifies that one reason for OFPRA to process an asylum claim in Accelerated Procedure is that “without legitimate reason, the applicant who irregularly entered French territory or remained there irregularly did not introduce their asylum claim in a period of 90 days as from the date they has entered the French territory.”[1] Prior to the 2018 reform, this time limit was 120 days.

I would interpret that as meaning - If they haven't registered within the 90/120 days, that they would then no longer be eligible able to register. If not registered, then they are illegals, and thus liable for arrest.

 

[Highway Man]

I would interpret that as meaning - If they haven't registered within the 90/120 days, that they would then no longer be eligible able to register. If not registered, then they are illegals, and thus liable for arrest.

That is the way I have read it

 

[Highway Man]

He doesn’t like being caught out so he always leaves himself a little escape route. Have you never noticed?

He is certainly hard work.

 

[denso13]

If they haven't registered within the 90/120 days, that they would then no longer be eligible able to register. If not registered, then they are illegals, and thus liable for arrest.

It doesn't say anything like that at all, even remotely. It doesn't mention arrest anywhere.

 

[MNW67]

Trying to understand French law is a mug's game.

And what are we trying to show, anyway.

 

[denso13]

That is the way I have read it

It says if a claim is made outside 90 days then it will be processed as an accelerated procedure claim. It's right there in the bit you quoted.

 

[denso13]

Trying to understand French law is a mug's game.

And what are we trying to show, anyway.

And irrelevant. People are getting on boats which is the issue at hand. The fact of the matter is that France allow them to congregate in Calais, or wherever, and it needs a solution. Not applying for asylum in France is neither here nor there.

 

[Lirefighter]

The truth of the matter is and I don't know the reason why, but they could very easily smash the gangs as he put it if they wanted to. It would be the easiest thing in the world to do but he doesn't want to.

I has become quite clear that, 2tk, and the rest of the EU lovies have no desire, what so ever, to stem the flow of 3rd world economic migrants to these lands.
As you say, the pertinent question is why.
There are only three plausible motivational reasons that I can muster that make any sense.
1: they are lefties, and virtue signalling to appear nice has been indoctrinated into them to the point that each will go to imbecilic lengths to out do each other's virtue.

2: the west has (because of the lefties folly) painted itself into a corner thus destroying any prospect of naturally occurring economic growth due to their net zero, caring dogmatic ideology. The 10s of thousands of extra mouths to feed and house, just a say keep the gdp growth idling along. Paying for the ever increasing pension liabilities. For now.

3: the fracturing of societal norms paves the way for ever increasing state control of each citizen. The likelihood of revolt is diluted significantly when each tribe can be pitted against the next.

If I had to I would bet on the second one, but I would welcome any other plausible explanations.

 

[aveatry]

I honestly don't know what it has achieved. With our assistance, they now seem to have all the intelligence and manpower they need to stop the boats. They just need to slash the empty boats as they are circling off shore before they comes in to the shallows to pick people up.

I have read that when they crack down on them they get riots.

So, I can see why they would rather just let them go.

They need to hand over the beaches to the UK and let some Essex boys wade into the 2 foot deep water and slash the dinghy’s - anyone who pretends to be drowning can be saved by dragging them back on to the beach - do that and the French will soon start camping down on their own border with the EU and not letting them transit across france to the UK--- problem solved

 

[Highway Man]

It says if a claim is made outside 90 days then it will be processed as an accelerated procedure claim. It's right there in the bit you quoted.

• If you say that you entered France more than 90 days ago without providing legitimate reason for not applying for asylum within this timeframe;
• If you are arrested and the police give you an “OQTF” – an order to leave French Territory – and you are placed in a detention facility…

 

[denso13]

• If you say that you entered France more than 90 days ago without providing legitimate reason for not applying for asylum within this timeframe;
• If you are arrested and the police give you an “OQTF” – an order to leave French Territory – and you are placed in a detention facility…

Irrelevant. It isn't stopping them.

 

[Highway Man]

I has become quite clear that, 2tk, and the rest of the EU lovies have no desire, what so ever, to stem the flow of 3rd world economic migrants to these lands.
As you say, the pertinent question is why.
There are only three plausible motivational reasons that I can muster that make any sense.
1: they are lefties, and virtue signalling to appear nice has been indoctrinated into them to the point that each will go to imbecilic lengths to out do each other's virtue.

2: the west has (because of the lefties folly) painted itself into a corner thus destroying any prospect of naturally occurring economic growth due to their net zero, caring dogmatic ideology. The 10s of thousands of extra mouths to feed and house, just a say keep the gdp growth idling along. Paying for the ever increasing pension liabilities. For now.

3: the fracturing of societal norms paves the way for ever increasing state control of each citizen. The likelihood of revolt is diluted significantly when each tribe can be pitted against the next.

If I had to I would bet on the second one, but I would welcome any other plausible explanations.

Its always puzzled me why they don't want to stop them. As I say, smashing the gangs as Starmer puts it, how many has he smashed? Easy to do yet they havent.

 

[MNW67]

AI Overview

EU countries do not routinely intercept migrant boats primarily due to humanitarian concerns, international maritime law, and operational challenges. While there are efforts to deter crossings and disrupt smuggling networks, the practicalities and legal considerations of interception, particularly pushbacks, are complex.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:
1. Humanitarian Concerns:

• Safety at Sea:
  The primary concern is the safety of individuals on the boats. Intercepting and potentially forcing them back could endanger lives, especially in unsafe or unseaworthy vessels.
  
  
• Obligation to Rescue:
  International maritime law mandates that masters of ships rescue those in distress at sea.
  
  
• Potential for Violence:
  Some argue that attempting to intercept boats could lead to resistance from migrants and increase the risk of injury or death.
  

2. International Maritime Law:

• Innocent Passage:
  Article 17 of the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) allows ships of all states innocent passage through territorial waters.
  
  
• Not Always Innocent:
  Passage is not considered "innocent" if it involves unloading people in violation of immigration laws, but determining when this is the case is complex.
  
  
• Search and Rescue:
  The International Convention on Maritime Search and Rescue (SAR Convention) obligates states to rescue those in danger at sea.
  
  
• Pushbacks and International Law:
  The legality of pushbacks (returning migrants to their point of departure) is debated, with concerns about potential breaches of international law, particularly regarding the principle of non-refoulement.
  

3. Operational Challenges:

• Difficulty in Interception:
  Intercepting small boats, especially in rough seas or during nighttime, can be difficult and dangerous.
• Limited Resources:
  Many EU countries lack the resources and infrastructure to effectively patrol and intercept all migrant boats.
• Cooperation Issues:
  Interception efforts often require cooperation between multiple countries, which can be challenging to coordinate.

 

[MNW67]

They need to hand over the beaches to the UK and let some Essex boys wade into the 2 foot deep water and slash the dinghy’s - anyone who pretends to be drowning can be saved by dragging them back on to the beach - do that and the French will soon start camping down on their own border with the EU and not letting them transit across france to the UK--- problem solved

I agree it is a conscious choice by the French not to stop them.

 

[MNW67]

Its always puzzled me why they don't want to stop them. As I say, smashing the gangs as Starmer puts it, how many has he smashed? Easy to do yet they havent.

We have very little control. It all depends on France being willing. And they aren't.