This Will Not Work For The Patient

[Notch7]

and I see he was against labour taking a £9m donation the other day.

Oh I made a mistake, it was the Reform party that took a foreign donation of £9million

 

[Notch7]

As said, a non compulsory employers health insurance scheme backed by tax relief could ease the waiting lists and shortfalls

I wouldn’t be against researching such an idea.

I think the problem is that most private consultants work for the NHS, so there’s a risk of cutting NHS resources…..but we should be looking at all options.


Near me is a private medical centre called the Horder centre in Crowborough, they specialise in hip operations they’ve become a centre of excellence for it. It’s private but NHS send people there.

Provided we could protect against private equity using such places as a cash cow, I could see the benefit of highly specialised centres subbing to the NHS - if they could do procedures at a lower cost.


What pizzes me off is private recruitment agencies and private business consultancy that make an absolute heap of money out of NHS.

 

[Highway Man]

Private healthcare is part of our wage structure, doesnt cost us anything for medical bills including glasses and eye tests. This is the way forward in my opinion, large company's like mine should be made to provide private heathcare to their employees to help lessen the load on the NHS.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Notch is against the junior doctors asking for more after getting an 29% pay rise last year and I see he was against labour taking a £9m donation the other day. I think he's seen the light and is slowly swinging from Labour to Reform.

Yes, he's all for low wages (not)

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Whatever bright spark gets in power and wants to abolish NHS, we will have to fight it in the strongest way possible.
As said, a non compulsory employers health insurance scheme backed by tax relief could ease the waiting lists and shortfalls of the NHS, but having to go bankrupt to pay for medical bills is something that we must avoid at all costs.

A god reason to be very careful with reform

 

[johnny2007]

I think the problem is that most private consultants work for the NHS, so there’s a risk of cutting NHS resources

If that's a risk, any consultant doing private work should also work equal hours in the NHS.
In some countries that's how it works.
Maybe here is the same, I don't know.

 

[JohnD]

They are hardly penniless and living in cardboard boxes.

You suggested there was a time when doctors were not well paid.

When do you imagine this time to have been?

 

[Highway Man]

You suggested there was a time when doctors were not well paid.

When do you imagine this time to have been?

Never mentioned they have never been under paid, I said that at one time a Dr viewed the job more of a vocation than for the money. They have always been well paid.

 

[JohnD]

I said that at one time a Dr viewed the job more of a vocation than for the money. They have always been well paid.

Please explain why you think that doctors wanting money is a new thing,

 

[Brigadier]

Private healthcare is part of our wage structure, doesnt cost us anything for medical bills including glasses and eye tests. This is the way forward in my opinion, large company's like mine should be made to provide private heathcare to their employees to help lessen the load on the NHS.

If and when the private sector start training their medical staff themselves, rather than relying on the NHS to do it.

Which is unlikely.

 

[morqthana]

I believe they are paid enough now,

i.e. 15-20% less than they were paid in 2010, and less than Amazon warehouse workers are paid now.

they do a great job and deserve more

Paid enough or deserve more?

One of those has to be incorrect.

but the reality is that the NHS cannot afford to pay them more without reducing other services.

Or being given more money.

 

[JohnD]

Private health care is not at all keen on taking responsibility for open-ended or large costs.

For example a train crash with hundreds of casualties

An outbreak of disease in the population

A patient with an incurable disease or disability

Have you heard of Christopher Reeve?

 

[JohnD]

Private healthcare is part of our wage structure, doesnt cost us anything for medical bills including glasses and eye tests. This is the way forward in my opinion, large company's like mine should be made to provide private heathcare to their employees to help lessen the load on the NHS.

You probably know that you are living in a country with a large number of older people.

Older people need more treatment and care, more often, and for longer.

Healthy young workers generally don't

You might be surprised to learn that private health insurance for older people increases in cost every year, and can easily exceed the state pension. Perhaps that doesn't worry you because you are a rich man and can afford to pay hundreds of thousands of pounds during the course of your retirement, or perhaps you intend to die as soon as you stop work.

It is perhaps ironic that the sector of the population most keen on cutting and avoiding tax, is that same sector most dependent on public spending.

Some of them also resent healthy young people willing to provide care at low wages.

 

[Mottie]

Please explain why you think that doctors wanting money is a new thing,

Please explain why you think people should explain to you why they think what they do. You never do.

 

[Highway Man]

Please explain why you think that doctors wanting money is a new thing,

I have never known them to strike for it