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[ebee]

I used to have A CB licence back in the day.
CB Radio could be very useful whilst travelling camping etc - long before mobile phones etc and knowing you could get help for emergencies during a countryside run or traffic info etc was brill, some great folk on there (and a few absolute Pilchards like you can get anywhere).

 

[ericmark]

Had 4 I think, started VP8XBHZ, then VP8BKM, then English licence, added a W when I returned home, and then VR2ZEP. On return to UK my British licence was not valid, so started using CB, and oh how it changed area to area, Suffolk it was very like the ham band, Midlands it seemed to be an escort selection service, and North Wales mainly used by taxi's.

The PMR 466 took over a lot, and I still use them, but UK it was mainly Packet and RAYNET, never used HF in the UK, and I renew my UK licence, but not used in years. I am in a VHF black hole, and not going to buy HF gear.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

I am in a VHF black hole, and not going to buy HF gear.

I have all, but rarely use.

 

[JohnW2]

Had 4 I think, started VP8XBHZ, then VP8BKM, then English licence, added a W when I returned home, and then VR2ZEP.

I've had but the one, G3Sxx (although, way back, I occasionally used the variants GC3Sxx/P, GM3Sxx/P and GW3Sxx/P) - starting in 1963 (on my 14th birthday, the 'earliest possible'!), and continuous ever since (but literally decades since I made any use of it)

 

[JohnW2]

I find this "5-a-day" business all a bit confused/confusing, and I'm not at all sure that I personally agree with all of it, particularly in relation to potatoes. ....
.......... Is that really a good argument for justifying the fact that they "don't count" ?

well is it possible if we eat say rice as our staple diet then a potato might well be one of our 5 a day? but if eat potato is our staple diet then another portion is not great, it is something else we need? Anyway just a thought.

For what it's worth, my personal thinking is ....

... I would think that whether or not something qualifies as one of the "5-a-day" should depend (only) on it's "nutritional value" - any perceived 'positive health benefits' minus any perceived possible negative effects on health ('additives'etc.).

In the case of potatoes, they are predominantly starch and fibre. Fibre is 'good'. Of the three main components of food (fat, protein and carbohydrate), carbohydrate has the least calories (hence least likely to result in obesity) and since the carbohydrate is nearly all starch (rather than sugars), is less likely to increase the risk of diabetes. As for 'trace' components, as the NHS says, potatoes of a good source of vitamin C, B vitamins and potassium.

That all seems 'positive', and I'm not really aware of any particular 'negative' issues (health-wise) of eating potatoes. I would therefore be inclined to expect them to qualify as one of "5-a-day" and I don't see why that should be altered by the fact that "potatoes are generally used in place of other sources of starch, such as bread, pasta or rice", do you?

I've had this discussion with a good few dieticians and 'nutritionists' over the years and can't really say that any of them has ever been able to come up with any convincing argument against my view!

I think the old 5 a day has increasesd to or more but however many a day the variety is the important thing here. 5 apples in one day only counts as 1 but 5 times which is too much, they must all be different and the more differenter probably the more betterer..

Yes, as with so many things, I think it really should be down to common sense, rather than attempts to define and quantify what sort of diet is 'best for health'. I don't think one is likely to go far wrong by having a 'mixed/balanced' diet including modest amounts of lots of different things, including lots of types of fresh fruit and vegetables.

Of course, some people (like my daughters - one vegetarian and the other vegan!) will argue that vegetarian and/or vegan diets are 'the best'. However, whilst I understand than there are good reasons for such dietary choices (e.g. related to animal welfare and environmental issues), one only has to look at the dentition and metabolic digestive processes of humans to see that they were 'intended' to be omniverous. Indeed, I'm far from convinced that a vegan would be able to survive in excellent health in the absence of 'artificial' man-made 'supplements' - which don't sound like necessarily a good thing to have to rely on!

 

[ebee]

For what it's worth, my personal thinking is ....

... I would think that whether or not something qualifies as one of the "5-a-day" should depend (only) on it's "nutritional value" - any perceived 'positive health benefits' minus any perceived possible negative effects on health ('additives'etc.).

In the case of potatoes, they are predominantly starch and fibre. Fibre is 'good'. Of the three main components of food (fat, protein and carbohydrate), carbohydrate has the least calories (hence least likely to result in obesity) and since the carbohydrate is nearly all starch (rather than sugars), is less likely to increase the risk of diabetes. As for 'trace' components, as the NHS says, potatoes of a good source of vitamin C, B vitamins and potassium.

That all seems 'positive', and I'm not really aware of any particular 'negative' issues (health-wise) of eating potatoes. I would therefore be inclined to expect them to qualify as one of "5-a-day" and I don't see why that should be altered by the fact that "potatoes are generally used in place of other sources of starch, such as bread, pasta or rice", do you?

I've had this discussion with a good few dieticians and 'nutritionists' over the years and can't really say that any of them has ever been able to come up with any convincing argument against my view!

Yes, as with so many things, I think it really should be down to common sense, rather than attempts to define and quantify what sort of diet is 'best for health'. I don't think one is likely to go far wrong by having a 'mixed/balanced' diet including modest amounts of lots of different things, including lots of types of fresh fruit and vegetables.

Of course, some people (like my daughters - one vegetarian and the other vegan!) will argue that vegetarian and/or vegan diets are 'the best'. However, whilst I understand than there are good reasons for such dietary choices (e.g. related to animal welfare and environmental issues), one only has to look at the dentition and metabolic digestive processes of humans to see that they were 'intended' to be omniverous. Indeed, I'm far from convinced that a vegan would be able to survive in excellent health in the absence of 'artificial' man-made 'supplements' - which don't sound like necessarily a good thing to have to rely on!

Yes John I wholeheartedly agree with everything you have said.
I think that here in the UK we are a little biased towards the potato (personally I am not keen on rice or pasta) therefore our original 5 a day sort of rule lead us to particularly mention the 5 making it "effectively" 6 from that point of view - in my humble opinion plumbing and heating bods do something similar with their "Bars" - in short 1 Bar is conveniently taken as one atmosphere of pressure at sea level but they refer to that or somewhere near it as 1 Datum and all their pipework including boilers are referenced compared with that therefore their "1 Bar" is actually above the surrounding 1 Bar so it is in reality 2 Bars and a Boiler 3 Bar is really 4 Bars. Temperature too if we use degrees C we reference it to Freezing point of water as Zero Degrees C but are aware that when we reference it to (almost) no heat at all we use Kelvin or Degrees Absolute.
My conclusion is yes it was 6 a day minimum but easiest to actually say 5 a day and adding a variety of fruit/veg to get some spread of other minor vitamins and minerals into the mix.
More than our 5 (plus 1) might mean 8 (plus 1) .

Personally my preference is more for fruit because I like most fruits and some veg I do not like - I would plan it the other way around if I had free choice but I am what I am.

And as for eating meat, I actually agree with and salute your kids (to a degree) on humanitarian and economic reasons but unfortunately I am a hypocrite and I do eat meat too.
I find it amusing that some folk that some folk say "I am a veggie yet I only eat chicken" you are not a veggie then! LOL.
Reminds me of the lass that told my Mum "Mrs Ebee, I have passed my driving test, FIRST TIME, on my third attempt!" , Mmmm Yes OK, I will not mention her nationallity though because I really like the Irish, I could listen to them all day.
I think if you are are Veggie (good on you, I commend you) then suppliments carefully required, it is the way we have evolved so great care needs taking.

Anyway that's just my simplistic non qualified view, other may agree/disagree in various proportions.

 

[JohnW2]

I've had but the one, G3Sxx (although, way back, I occasionally used the variants GC3Sxx/P, GM3Sxx/P and GW3Sxx/P) - starting in 1963 (on my 14th birthday, the 'earliest possible'!), and continuous ever since (but literally decades since I made any use of it)

By pure co-incidence, this month's copy of "RadCom" (the RSGB's monthly 'journal' - once known as the RSGB Bulletin {or just'The Bull' } ) came through my letterbox todays contains lists of long-standing members, and I appear there as having had continuous membership for 64 years (I joined a couple of years before getting my licence).

For any of you who can see those lists and are inquisitive about my identity, coupled with what I have already told you should make that a trivial exercise

 

[ericmark]

I left the RSGB when the UKRS started, I was a founder member, then RSGB removed objections to dropping morse code, the whole reason for the UKRS went, so it was disbanded, but I never rejoined the RSGB.