Well done wind

[Murdochcat]

As I said it’s no cheaper for us to buy. That’s the bottom line

As for cheaper renewable . Ha ha ha.

Prices are certainly not going down and from where I sit the levies mean they are almost certainly going up. Despite what Labour say or promise

 

[Justin Passing]

ANyone seen a TRUE comparison, including things like the methane spilling from the gas plant, and the number of wind turbine blades we put into landfill every year, and where the money really goes when the CFDs don't work...?

 

[SPLINE]

ANyone seen a TRUE comparison

You won't ever see truth when it comes to 'global warming', 'renewables', 'wind turbine' etc, and the money involved.

 

[Odds]

It's when you admit that you can't back up your claims when you make a mistake yes. I have no way to prove that a decent proportion of UK wind turbine blades are made locally.

UK wind turbines are primarily manufactured and assembled at specialised coastal facilities, with a major hub being the Siemens Gamesa facility in Hull, which produces rotor blades. Other key locations include Able Seaton Port in Hartlepool for pre-assembly, and various manufacturing sites for components across the UK.

 

[JohnD]

You won't ever see truth when it comes to 'global warming', 'renewables', 'wind turbine' etc, and the money involved.

Sometimes you will. But the vast profits made by the fossil fuel industry, and their desire to maintain and increase them, is more than enough to pay for stories causing doubt and contradiction.

The tobacco industry does the same.

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

If you build a wind farm then you also need to build a gas power station for when the wind doesn't blow.

So if we're looking to replace our old gas power stations then you need to build the gas power station anyway. The true analysis is that you need to compare the build + running costs of the wind farm against only the running costs of a gas power station. In which case you'll probably find that wind power makes absolutely no financial sense.

The government haven't produced this analysis and made excuses when asked for this in parliament.

 

[noseall]

If you build a wind farm then you also need to build a gas power station for when the wind doesn't blow.

So if we're looking to replace our old gas power stations then you need to build the gas power station anyway. The true analysis is that you need to compare the build + running costs of the wind farm against only the running costs of a gas power station. In which case you'll probably find that wind power makes absolutely no financial sense.

The government haven't produced this analysis and made excuses when asked for this in parliament.

More nonsense. That is not how the National Grid works.

 

[noseall]

stories causing doubt and contradiction.

You'd have to be pretty dumb or gullible to fall for those stories. It's hard to believe but Brexers do still exist. They've been repackaged with a new lease of life, as Reformists.

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

More nonsense. That is not how the National Grid works.

Go on then, expert...

How does the National Grid produce energy when the wind's not blowing?

Beyond the couple of hours where they're using any pumped hydro or a few Duracells.

 

[noseall]

oops. Double post.

 

[noseall]

How does the National Grid produce energy when the wind's not blowing?

The same way it always has done, no matter how many wind turbines they decide to add to the grid.

 

[JohnD]

Go on then, expert...

How does the National Grid produce energy when the wind's not blowing?

Beyond the couple of hours where they're using any pumped hydro or a few Duracells.

The National Grid is not a generator.

As I'm sure you know, we have subsea cables connecting to other European nations. Some of them produce more renewable power than they can use, and some quite good interconnects. It's a pity the Brexers tried to cut us away from our neighbours in so many ways. If we still had a voice at the table we could put forward our needs and resources, and vote on the European grid.

We also have gas generators that can be switched on. When they are switched off their demands for fuel are unsurprisingly small. So the more wind there is, the less they're switched on.

As you also know, Duracells are much smaller than industrial power storage facilities, whose price keeps dropping.

 

[JohnD]

So if we're looking to replace our old gas power stations

The wind substitutes for the fossil fuels we would otherwise have to buy

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

Most gas power stations were built in the 1990s, when we switched away from coal. They're all knackered and need replacing.

We need them anyway, as backup for when the wind doesn't blow. So they have to be built whatever anyone thinks, for national security.

So windfarms need to be assessed against the cost of running (not building) the gas power stations. In which case, I doubt that they make any financial sense. They only stack up if you include the cost of building the gas power stations, but this is a false comparison.

 

[noseall]

Most gas power stations were built in the 1990s, when we switched away from coal. They're all knackered and need replacing.

We need them anyway, as backup for when the wind doesn't blow. So they have to be built whatever anyone thinks, for national security.

So windfarms need to be assessed against the cost of running (not building) the gas power stations. In which case, I doubt that they make any financial sense. They only stack up if you include the cost of building the gas power stations, but this is a false comparison.

Eh?

The power suppliers will go on introducing more wind turbines irrespective of gas. Whilst other forms of energy supply will me maintained or replaced regardless. It's almost as if you are saying that having more wind turbines creates another issue with gas. It doesn't.