Our political system, what 'is' the answer?

[morqthana]

Errrr thanks for the patronising waffle.

You seem to have a habit of trying to dismiss anything you don't like but are unable to argue against as patronising waffle or rubbish.

I'm not paying money to read an article that's written by a member of the secret society it's supposedly describing.

1) It's free, so that's one plank gone.

2) It was written by someone who was an employee, some 30 years ago, so that's another plank gone.

3) It's not a secret society. So that's the last plank gone.

I did say you could read the article if you wanted to know the truth. Do you?

Fabians are in favour of getting into power by promising nice gentle socialism then gradually progressing towards communism. Because if they were honest and promised their true goal then nobody would vote for them.

That is just nonsense. I don't know who has told you that, but you really ought to stop listening to them, as they are telling you the most ridiculous and outrageous lies, which are leading you to try and function in the world whilst having a seriously distorted view of it, which can't be good.

Starmer's obviously following this path. Banning and control free speech, locking up critics etc. All totally as expected.

And yet you're in favour of even harsher penalties for people protesting and demonstrating in favour of causes which you happen to disagree with.

 

[JBR]

But in reality, almost everybody who bangs on about illegal migration is a racist.

I bang on about illegal immigration. At the same time, I have many friends and acquaintances who are not white but are of racial origins other than white British. The difference is that they are working people, some professional (eg, doctors, optometrists, etc). None of them regard me as a racist. To add their own opinions, generally they too are against illegal immigration of people who do not bring any value to our country, some of whom have shown that they do not live by our laws, such as raping young girls for example.

How do you feel about illegal immigrants who rape young girls?

 

[morqthana]

I bang on about illegal immigration.

Indeed you do.

No comment.

To add their own opinions, generally they too are against illegal immigration of people who do not bring any value to our country, some of whom have shown that they do not live by our laws, such as raping young girls for example.

How do you feel about illegal immigrants who rape young girls?

I feel that the best way to deal with someone who jams those two issues together like that, if I don't want to fall foul of the mods, is to say I'm not going to discuss it with you.

 

[richw]

But in reality, almost everybody who bangs on about illegal migration is a racist.

I don't think that's fair.

What's the issue with not wanting people illegally in the country? It's not that different from not wanting people illegally in my house or car. I don't see how race comes into it: I do not make any distinction for race. Someone here illegally is here illegally and should not be (you can see notices to this effect in UK Border entry points).

 

[richw]

[No political appointments in the Lords]

Elected?

If we have elected Lords, are they really any different to MPs? Isn't the idea that they can scrutinise without fear of a quick vote-out, and not bow to the potential mob of democratic rule? So I can see why you would have people like judges and bishops. Maybe we need to think about re-vamping the list of professions to choose from?


[ MPs must live in their constituency ]

Probably not always practical.

Don't see why not. If an area doesn't want to put anyone forward and vote them in, then that area can go unrepresented (surely that's unlikely).

 

[MNW67]

Don't see why not. If an area doesn't want to put anyone forward and vote them in, then that area can go unrepresented (surely that's unlikely).

It sounds like a good idea on paper. But historically we might have ended up losing out on some of our greatest leaders. If Winston Churchill, for instance, hadn't been able to choose a consituency to run in, we might have lost the war.

 

[JBR]

Indeed you do.

No comment.

I feel that the best way to deal with someone who jams those two issues together like that, if I don't want to fall foul of the mods, is to say I'm not going to discuss it with you.

So you don't feel at all strongly about such things, then? I didn't think you would, somehow!

 

[diy_fun_uk]

I bang on about illegal immigration. At the same time, I have many friends and acquaintances who are not white but are of racial origins other than white British. The difference is that they are working people, some professional (eg, doctors, optometrists, etc). None of them regard me as a racist. To add their own opinions, generally they too are against illegal immigration of people who do not bring any value to our country, some of whom have shown that they do not live by our laws, such as raping young girls for example.

How do you feel about illegal immigrants who rape young girls?

This is often how the debate is shut down. If you argue for stopping the boats and a tougher immigration stance, you're racist.

 

[morqthana]

So you don't feel at all strongly about such things, then?

I didn't say that.

I didn't think you would, somehow!

No comment.

 

[morqthana]

How do you feel about illegal immigrants who rape young girls?

This is often how the debate is shut down.

Indeed it is.

 

[morqthana]

[No political appointments in the Lords]

If we have elected Lords, are they really any different to MPs? Isn't the idea that they can scrutinise without fear of a quick vote-out, and not bow to the potential mob of democratic rule? So I can see why you would have people like judges and bishops. Maybe we need to think about re-vamping the list of professions to choose from?

So if you don't want political appointments, and you don't want elections (and presumably you don't want to go back to hereditary peers), how do people end up in the second chamber?

 

[Odds]

This is often how the debate is shut down. If you argue for stopping the boats and a tougher immigration stance, you're racist.

Someone who argues for stopping the boats is not necessarily a racist as a cross-party consensus is to do so, but despite Tory and Labour attempts to manage the situation it's not improved...so, "let's give Fartrage a chance", is the call from people who read headlines of illegal migrants committing crimes and presume everyone making the crossing is a "wrong 'un".

A blanket ban isn't the answer and Labour have at least made headway in securing better co-operation with countries who're responsible for many migrants making the journey and, most importantly, prevailing on French authorities to do more in clamping down on gangs who exploit the migrants in the first place.

Plenty of threads available to discuss that particular problem which is just one among many troubles afflicting the UK at the moment. The Labour party are going to struggle with other issues getting beyond their control and the polling suggests 'reform' will be next to make the attempt but will ultimately fail due to a total lack of talent. In fact, the political class in this country has become moribund and stale, resorting to soundbites and trite policy proposals to ensure they get through the current election cycle with no regard for a long term policy to manage the situation.

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

You seem to have a habit of trying to dismiss anything you don't like but are unable to argue against as patronising waffle or rubbish.




1) It's free, so that's one plank gone.

2) It was written by someone who was an employee, some 30 years ago, so that's another plank gone.

3) It's not a secret society. So that's the last plank gone.

I did say you could read the article if you wanted to know the truth. Do you?




That is just nonsense. I don't know who has told you that, but you really ought to stop listening to them, as they are telling you the most ridiculous and outrageous lies, which are leading you to try and function in the world whilst having a seriously distorted view of it, which can't be good.




And yet you're in favour of even harsher penalties for people protesting and demonstrating in favour of causes which you happen to disagree with.

What is it with the current crop of loony lefties - everything is patronising twaddle. It's really amusing watching thickos thinking that anyone who disagrees just isn't clever enough to understand how great the whole socio-communism cause is.

Even wokipedia says it's something pretty bloody weird and deceitful...

Fabian Society - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Fabian Society (/ˈfeɪbiən/[1]) is a British socialist organisation whose purpose is to advance the principles of social democracy and democratic socialism via gradualist and reformist effort in democracies, rather than by revolutionary overthrow.

The Fabian Society was named—at the suggestion of Frank Podmore—in honour of the Roman general Quintus Fabius Maximus Verrucosus (nicknamed Cunctator, meaning the "Delayer").[13] His Fabian strategy sought gradual victory against the superior Carthaginian army under the renowned general Hannibal through persistence, harassment, and wearing the enemy down by attrition rather than pitched, climactic battles.

According to the author Jon Perdue, "The logo of the Fabian Society, a tortoise, represented the group's predilection for a slow, imperceptible transition to socialism, while its coat of arms, a 'wolf in sheep's clothing', represented its preferred methodology for achieving its goal."[4] The wolf in sheep's clothing symbolism was later abandoned, due to its obvious negative connotations.

Its evolution into trying to pretend it's a "think tank" is largely just an ever-more elaborate cover for its true aims.

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

If I somehow invented a magic racism meter that could attach to a helicopter that could accurately measure the racism levels of a population just by flying over them, then I'm absoutely certain that the peak levels would be seen whilst flying over Bradford and Birmingham and other lost cities, not over white or "gammon" areas.

Never tolerate intolerance. The British have had enough of being oppressed, the uprising is only just beginning.

 

[Odds]

The British have had enough of being oppressed, the uprising is only just beginning.