What thing was ruined because it turned into a rich person's hobby?

[Ivor Windybottom]

Can you do that thing where you flip upside down in the water and then right yourself?

Had a go and failed. Then got a side injury so haven't tried for a while. Recovered now so will get back onto it. It looks do-able, but it's complicated working out what's up when you're upside-down and looking at the surface of the water from beneath. Then, as you start turning, the direction of up changes as you turn. I'll get it.

But mostly it's about not getting upside-down in the first place. You let your hips do what they like, while your body stays upright. As long as your body's vertically above it then it won't tip over whatever way up it is.

 

[just pumps]

Nah. I've just bought one. £1400 brand new (discounted)...

P&H Custom Sea Kayaks

Setting the standard for over 50 years, we've been designing and bulding leading sea kayak since 1968

www.phseakayaks.com

Took it out to sea yesterday for the first time with a couple of others. Absolutely amazing, climbing up waves then slapping down the other side while heading out, then surfing on them coming back in. All after a couple of years of proper club training, having started from scratch.

With respect a kayak isn`t a boat is it.

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

With respect a kayak isn`t a boat is it.

Of course it is. Just like a bungalow and a skyscraper are both buildings but also aren't very similar!

There's something magical about being chucked about by the sea, you miss out when you're in a massive lump driven by a noisy engine.

 

[motorbiking]

It is classed as a vessel under oars. COLREGs apply.

I have to agree about the fun of a small vessel, I love sailing Hobie cats etc when on non-sailing holidays.

Here's another very cheap boat.

Jaguar 27

www.boatpoint.co.uk

 

[aveatry]

Especially those tickets with the likes of Kanye West headlining, allowing him to spout more of his antisemitic bile.

Money before morals - the greed mantra.

Too late for your virtue signalling.
1. We have all seen you.
2. Wrong thread.
3. Why do you feel the need to spoil every thread

 

[aveatry]

Concert wise I stick to watching the tribute acts, no malarky trying to get hold of tickets and failing. Don't have to drive 200 miles. Smaller more intimate venues so you don't have to make do with watching them of a screen.

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

Concert wise I stick to watching the tribute acts, no malarky trying to get hold of tickets and failing. Don't have to drive 200 miles. Smaller more intimate venues so you don't have to make do with watching them of a screen.

It does make me laugh when there's a giant concert and they all end up watching telly on a big screen.

Would much rather see an unknown playing in a pub.

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

Here's another very cheap boat.

Jaguar 27

www.boatpoint.co.uk

51 years old!!!!

Doesn't a boat have negative value at some point in its life? As the disposal costs for all that non-recyclable GRP is very high, not like a car that's always worth something as scrap, or at the very worst you can get rid of it for free.

 

[motorbiking]

51 years old!!!!

Doesn't a boat have negative value at some point in its life? As the disposal costs for all that non-recyclable GRP is very high, not like a car that's always worth something as scrap, or at the very worst you can get rid of it for free.

They tend to sink

 

[Tigercubrider]

The definition of a boat

“A hole in the water which you fill with money”

 

[Highway Man]

1% of value is normally their starting position, so that is about right. Racing adds a bit, but I pay per race which keeps the cost down as I only do 4 or 5 per year. The biggest cost nowadays is 24/7 walk on marinas ~£1k per year/m (Solent), but if you don't mind a small inconvenience, you can get a river mooring and just call a taxi to get you to your boat. Some of those have peppercorn rent.

My policy requires minimum Coastal skipper, but that is because we go off-shore a fair bit. My other half always jokes: I can al always tell who the Yacht Masters are, ..they'll tell you

I enquired at my local yacht club about mooring, you can get moored from £350 per year but it is a tidal birth.

 

[fillyboy]

51 years old!!!!

Doesn't a boat have negative value at some point in its life? As the disposal costs for all that non-recyclable GRP is very high, not like a car that's always worth something as scrap, or at the very worst you can get rid of it for free.

For many years they tended to appreciate in value, when we first bought our Westerly Griffon we paid about £17k, sold it at a bad time and got about 12k for it which was the price new. That boat would have been almost about 30 years old by then.

Cornwall council are allocating funds currently to clear up abandoned boats, there's more than a few along the river at Truro, every boatyard has a small number of abandoned boats where people have stopped paying the fees and ignored letters.

 

[Highway Man]

For many years they tended to appreciate in value, when we first bought our Westerly Griffon we paid about £17k, sold it at a bad time and got about 12k for it which was the price new. That boat would have been almost about 30 years old by then.

Cornwall council are allocating funds currently to clear up abandoned boats, there's more than a few along the river at Truro, every boatyard has a small number of abandoned boats where people have stopped paying the fees and ignored letters.

What do they do with them?

 

[fillyboy]

It is classed as a vessel under oars. COLREGs apply.

I have to agree about the fun of a small vessel, I love sailing Hobie cats etc when on non-sailing holidays.

Here's another very cheap boat.

Jaguar 27

www.boatpoint.co.uk

We looked at Jag 25's but found them a bit cramped, I'd have probably gone for a 27 if I'd seen one, I think they were based on the American Catalinas.
That used to be a cheap place to buy a boat, America.

 

[hllns]

I grew up in Poole so the boat discussion is interesting. Poole at least still has a public slipway with slipway parking and every 10th house has a boat on a trailer in the driveway round my mum's way.