Has plug and play solar now been passed, I see adverts?

can't see anything stopping the use of an EV charging socket.
There isn't.

The important difference is that EV charging plugs/sockets do not have any exposed pins on either half, and they are only energised when the plug/socket has been locked into the other half,
Unless someone has tampered with it, they can't be unplugged when energised, and even if the lock had been defeated, the pilot pins will be disconnected before the power pins, which would cause the supply to be cut off immediately.
 
Ai generated vids that just ignore the real world are just click bait... grid load is measured by frequency of electricity which national grid aim to keep within 1% of 50Hz. Its that mointering of frequency that tells the grid what is producing power... so the first claim is panttrurnings, the grid does monitor the solar input and account for it by two means, predictive and reactive, predictive is just weather mointoring and reactive is a decision tree.. at its base is turning down the turbines, you don't need to shut down a nuclear power station to limit its output, just dump the excess heat from the steam generators to the cooling towers, same for gas. Up the tree is pumped and stored energey, then export to Europe via the connectors, then there are the load managers - cheap lecky to promote consumption and off peak windows. see https://www.energydashboard.co.uk/live for how the grid knows and manages ouput v demand. But solar and wind output is known, so his whole speal is just BS. What did he think there was some giant meter somewhere ??

Other obvious lies - Pricing - electricity would never be 1/3rd of what it is today- he forgot that other countries with low tariff rates are state run not for profits eg France and Norway, even then the lowest who sale rate is 50% cheaper... why because they invested in nuclear years ago when we dashed for gas...its not renewable s that are costing us more its the stupid ten minute into the future thinking of successive uk goverments... take our gas plants they could still be viable ecept the LNG storage at a piffing cost of 2 billion was never built due to the fact of russia our best friend shoving out cheap gas...

He also missed the huge plus of solar... it makes electricity when we need it - during the day.
 
I have only controlled a small power station, four x 250 kW RR eagle powered generators, and the main problem was one generator failing, and the other two not taking the load while I put on the spare.

Worked on larger power stations 2 x 750 MW and 4 x 650 MW, and it did surprise me how long it took for them to get to full power, looking at 24 hours or more, mainly to allow for expansion and contraction of turbine blades etc. Think it took 36 hours to turn off.

But in the main we are not moving for zero to maximum, but just varying the output, and seem to remember Sizewell had around 100 MW of diesel generator output, mainly to keep pumps running with a grid failure, but unless one had worked there, unlikely one would know they even had diesel generators.

However, under around 25 kW likely the DNO has little or no control over solar output, so what they can control, likely has a larger min/max output to before solar.

I look at the grid 1778770733602.pngand note how high the voltage is, don't think I have ever seen it at 230 volts. And I see more and more solar arrays being fitted, and think how many more can the system take?

But the main point, has to be for how long will I get paid a reasonable amount for export, when I first got export payment it was 15p/kWh, now dropped to 12p/kWh but import costs have risen 31.94p dropped to 29.702p for a month, then up again to 32.277p. The off-peak also 8.5p to 6.5p to 8.625p why they dropped it for one month I do not know.

But the 12p/kWh has not returned to 15p/kWh, I still get more for export to what I pay for import, (at off-peak rate) so I can simply charge the battery fully overnight.

But as the off-peak and export get closer, the major problem is the heat pump, the EV can be linked to DNO to control when charged, the storage radiator is designed to store energy so moving the time a bit no problem, solar, battery, and EV can integrate, and not exporting solar is not really such a big issue. But, in the winter of discontent I realised how fast my home cooled down, with the large house I have now, OK over night with heating set 5°C lower, it rarely cools enough to fire the central heating, i.e. the house looses less than 5°C in 7 hours, but my smaller house all those years ago, looking at a 10°C drop in 4 hours, it was freezing by time the electric returned and the gas central heating fired up again.

So I look back to what it was like with a labour government, and think oh know, don't want that again.
 
Again you are focusing on what you get... not what we get ie. slightly cheaper but stable prices from solar and wind. Factoring in a return from grid export always seemed a white elephant, sure some people do well but at the expense of who else ? Have a look at the spot market, average is 10p yet you get paid 12p...and a few days its 0. The price of electricity reflects all those bad policies, mostly conservative ones, which you are benefiting from at the expense of your neighbours. How would you feel if your rate of export was fixed to the daily spot price ? Why am I paying you 2 p extra ?

As for the winter of discontent we have none of the conditions, it was after all a pay dispute when labour tried to control wage growth directly which is now done by interest rates. We do not have a huge war debt , we have modernised most if not all of our industries, improved productivity - why do you think a 36 hour week is norm these days, we have established a credit culture, absent in the 70's to absorb shocks, what you had in your pocket was it, except for budget accounts, mine allowed me to spend 1.5 times what I put in per month but had a maximum of £400. Cash was king, 50% of the UK had a post office savings book at that was it, you had to be nominated for a bank account. We have stabilised wealth retention - ie that house you live in. We do not have a sterling crisis, why becuase thats what soverigen debt is and the stock market services, it provides long term borrowing rather than short term IMF loans and the list goes on..

Are you thinking of the energy crisis of 1973 and 1979 ? In which case again whilst prices will rise the availability of oil is at an all time high, the west gets most of its oil not from the middle east, then we got over 80% of our energy from the middle east today we get 20%. Alaska, Russian, Mexican and central american oil did'nt exist in volume, we had not developed our own oil fields and consumption was high as we had not built efficient cars- my rover did 16mpg at best, 3 times a week to be filled up.
 
I will agree something is not right with electric tariffs. We pay a standing charge to cover the infer structure we are told, if that's the case, then it should not change tariff to tariff, but it does.

And I look at the tariffs for storage heaters which in the main are used by people with low income, and EVs which are in the main used by people with money. And the difference does not make sense.

But this has been going on for a long time. The early days of solar they were paying silly amounts for export, often not even metered.

Clearly multi-governments have used electric prices to get what they want. But this plug and play solar is for a change aimed at the poor, those who can't buy their own homes. OK not all tenants are poor, but it seems maybe they have not really thought it through?
 
Oh dear, just watched this
not sure if I agree with it all, but I have said how I charge my batteries with off-peak, so I can export during the day can't help with the situation, so how long before tariffs change.
"Interesting"
I generally agree with much of what he says, it's a pity there's so many mistakes - such as one point where "frequency dropping -> pay industrial users to use more lecky" when it's the other way round.
Ai generated vids that just ignore the real world are just click bait... grid load is measured by frequency of electricity
Wrong. Neither voltage nor frequency tell you what power is being drawn - simple example, you can switch off your main switch, the voltage and frequency at the meter will still be 240V* and 50Hz, but there's no power. Switch everything on and max out your supply, the voltage and frequency don't change**, but the power drawn does.
How NESO knows the power being supplied and consumed is by metering - various large suppliers and load centres (ie. the larger substations) have metering, and this is fed back into the control system which tallies them all up.
What changes in voltage and frequency do tell you is how the grid balance is changing - if the voltage and frequency start going down you you have an excess of demand over supply; and vice-versa. You correct that by asking generators to open or close the taps. The system could be happily at nominal voltage and frequency if both supply and demand were just (say) 10GW; or if both were at (say) 60GW.
* Technically, our nominal voltage since harmonising with the EU is 230V +10%/-6% (the +10% was to allow our system to carry on unchanged v.s. having set it at +6%.) In practice, nothing changed and most people get "around" 240V.
** The voltage will drop slightly due to losses in the transformers and cabling to your house
Its that mointering of frequency that tells the grid what is producing power
Wrong. As above, metering at key points tell the operators what is producing power - except for the unmetered embedded generation which simply shows as a reduced load.
... so the first claim is panttrurnings, the grid does monitor the solar input and account for it by two means, predictive and reactive, predictive is just weather mointoring and reactive is a decision tree.. at its base is turning down the turbines, you don't need to shut down a nuclear power station to limit its output, just dump the excess heat from the steam generators to the cooling towers, same for gas.
Wrong again. They can estimate the amount of solar by weather forecasting and actual readings, and over a large area and "many" installations, that probably gives a reasonable measure. What they cannot do is measure it - as the video correctly points out, all these small scale installations merely appear as a reduced load.
As an example, suppose you have an array that can produce 3.5kW and it's a bright sunny day so it's doing just that. But you are using 3.5kW internally (perhaps running the immersion heater to use it instead of exporting it for a pittance and your other loads are 500W) - so nett power draw on the grid. The grid has precisely zero visibility of whether you have everything switched off (hence using no power), or are running everything off your solar (and hence drawing no power from the grid.) But if the solar stops, then you suddenly dump a load on the grid - "probably" your immersion will be switched off, but you'd still drop 500W onto the grid. Multiply that effect by "many thousands" of installations, and the effect can be considerable.
Even if they ask your "smart" meter, it can only show them the nett amount - it simply has no knowledge of what's going on downstream other than the nett amount you are importing or exporting (i.e. the result of local generation minus local usage.)
What did he think there was some giant meter somewhere ??
Not one giant meter, just metering at key points - yes they really do know what each large power station is feeding into the grid. As an aside, the system is also set up to spot inconsistencies - e.g. where the power measured at one point is significantly different to the sum of what's measured downstream.
Other obvious lies - Pricing - electricity would never be 1/3rd of what it is today
I agree, I'm a bit sceptical of that claim. But they could be a lot lower if we had a different system for pricing. As it is, we've a system set up for maximising prices and profiteering by the (e.g.) wind lobby who keep going on about how cheap wind lecky is.
He also missed the huge plus of solar... it makes electricity when we need it - during the day.
Ah, that old mistake - it's not true in this country.
In some countries there's an element of that - people run air conditioning when it's sunny. Here it's different.
In summer when we have the best solar, we have little heating demand. In winter when we have "poor" solar, we have high heating demand - the example he gives of a pan-Europe static high pressure zone is very real, "very little" wind generation, very little solar (even though the sun is bright, it's low in the sky and days are short). But here's the main problem - people like the house to be warm when they get up (typically before the sun comes up), and they like to have a hot meal when they get home from work (typically after the sun has gone down.) As a result, a very significant proportion of demanded power is asked for when the sun simply isn't shining - and even during the day, at it's peak the solar isn't all that great and we still rely on other sources.
And these periods aren't short. I still recall Dec 2010 - we had about two weeks of bitter cold, near zero wind, and where I lived it didn't get above freezing during the day. Do the sums, think about what battery storage costs, and now sale that up to "many" GW for a couple of weeks - if you go "all Yorkshireman" and exclaim "How much !" then you might just be starting to realise how expensive some of these solutions are. Extra points if you then realise that the battery capacity needed would consume several years of the current total global battery production.
Pumped hydro is a good battery, but look up what we have now (there's lists on Wikipedia) and you can see that they are good for very short term (e.g. their original requirement to cover the "millions switch on the kettle during the commercial break in Corrie"), but capacity is limited. Technically we could build more, but go looking for suitable sites (lakes the size of Windermere would make a great bottom pool) and I think you'd find it would be very expensive (both financially and politically) to actually do it.

The jist of policy from many in the renewables lobbies is that we have to freeze in the morning, definitely not have a hot shower, and forget about having a hot meal when we get home from work. No, no-one will ever admit that, but that is the primary function of smart metering - to create a system where instead of trying to meet demand, they simply price the poorest into living that sort of lifestyle through variable time of day pricing.


While I see a certain mount of doom-mongering in the video, apart from a few mistakes it's not that far from reality.

What would probably make a huge difference would be a) add a massive amount of sources such as nuclear, and b) rapidly controllable useful loads such as electrolysers to make hydrogen that could rapidly follow changes in renewables output and load, keep the nuclear plants running at a steady state, and produce something that could then be used for further CO2 reductions (such as making synthetic fuels to decarbonise transport.) From a technical standpoint, that's the way to make this net-zero work - so of course, it is not what is being pushed for.
 
Wrong. Neither voltage nor frequency tell you what power is being drawn - simple example, you can switch off your main switch, the voltage and frequency at the meter will still be 240V* and 50Hz, but there's no power. Switch everything on and max out your supply, the voltage and frequency don't change**, but the power drawn does.
In terms of frequency, that's true on small scale such as you describe, but if the total load (of the entire grid) starts approaching 'maxing out' of the generating capacity, the frequency will fall.

Voltage as seen at the generator will not change much, if at all, with increasing loads on the grid, but at any point downstream of the generator the voltage seen will obviously be affected by load-dependent voltage drops. Even at the level of a single installation such as you mention, with an L-N loop impedance of, say, 0.3Ω, a, say, 60A load withing the installation (e.g. a shower plus a few other things) would result in an 18 V reductuon in voltage (e.g. from 240 V to 228 V).
 
Voltage as seen at the generator will not change much, if at all, with increasing loads on the grid,
Sorry incorrect, on the building of Sizewell 'B' the 'A' station was still running, and when demand was high we would see the voltage raise, quite common to see 260 volts single phase on the 'B' site, and also drop to 240 volts when demand was nationwide low.

This caused a problem, the German cranes were designed for 220 (380) volts, and the 260 volts was too much, so every crane had an auto transformer to drop the voltage, as 40 volts per phase was too much.

The main problem is nuclear power stations are put in areas of low population and energy use, so near to the nuclear power station the voltage swings are large, the coal and gas fired stations were often built central to where the power is being used, so this reduces the voltage swings.

We hope for no power failures, as so much is automatic, where heaters have thermostatic control, once power has failed to power needed to restart gets higher and higher. If I turn off the power to my house, some items auto switch off, but also some items auto switch on, smart bulbs for example, and I can't turn off the smart bulbs, until my router has booted and all the hubs have booted, for a single house this is not much, but for an area of housing it can be quite high.

In the main refriduation plants have a delayed start, so they don't try to restart while the gas is still under pressure, but that delay is not that long, so after switch on, there will be a high demand after around 5 minutes as heat pumps switch on.

So someone some where has to decide who has no power, having stand-by systems may help, my freezers and central heating will run without the grid, so on return it is not trying to re-cool and re-heat but heat pumps are too large of a load to run of the homes EPS. Those with heat pumps will just get a cold house.

I may have a wood store and an open fire, so yes I am OK Jack, I can heat my house, even without the EPS powering the oil fired central heating, but I would after 1978 would not want to rely on a grid supply for heating, I can still remember trying to keep our toddlers warm. To the point of taking them to our parents who still had coke fired fires.

One to me error in our homes wiring is to power the central heating with a FCU, if powered from a plug and socket, then easy enough to unplug from the grid supply and plug into a battery/inverter or generator. Using a FCU seems to me a flawed approch, and my own central heating is on a FCU, however the FCU is powered from the EPS. Left that way as it is only item in the home, not RCD protected.

So to encourage people to have solar with battery back up does make a lot of sense, but the plug and play is lacking the battery back-up.
 

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