Covid 19 report

[morqthana]

Can you run that past me again?

Imagine the most sterile protective apron imaginable. A nurse puts it on and a patient coughs and sneezes all over it. If the nurse doesn't change it the next patient is at risk from all the detritus splattered across the apron. The fact that it was sterile when put on does not affect that risk. Having been sterile does not lower it, not having been sterile does not raise it.

 

[IT Minion]

The sterility of PPE does nothing for patient-patient transfer.

By non sterile that means it may already be contaminated.

 

[morqthana]

If it ain't sterile then you don't use it.

Ever been in a doctor's surgery, or A&E, and seen a health worker put on "latex" gloves from an open dispenser on the wall? Are they sterile?

 

[morqthana]

By non sterile that means it may already be contaminated.

Which may be a concern for the first patient. Not so much the second, if it isn't changed.

Please don't go down the polarisation rabbit hole. The two alternatives are not

1. Sterile
   or
2. Kept uwrapped and uncovered outdoors on the ground next to the bins.

Outside of operating theatre type environments it is quite possible for packaged, clean PPE to be of benefit to wearers and patients.

 

[IT Minion]

Which may be a concern for the first patient. Not so much the second, if it isn't changed.

Please don't go down the polarisation rabbit hole. The two alternatives are not

1. Sterile
   or
2. Kept uwrapped and uncovered outdoors on the ground next to the bins.

Outside of operating theatre type environments it is quite possible for packaged, clean PPE to be of benefit to wearers and patients.

Sterile gowns are supposed to be changed for each patient. And they're supposed to be sterile.

And there were a lot of 'sterile' gowns bought and paid for that had to be disposed because they weren't fit for use.

 

[morqthana]

Sterile gowns are supposed to be changed for each patient.

I wish you'd stop going on as if somehow using clean, previously unused, gowns means they cant be changed for each patient.

And they're supposed to be sterile.

Ever been in a doctor's surgery, or A&E, and seen a health worker put on gloves from an open dispenser on the wall? Are they sterile?

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

This isn't what was seen in the lab or in the data. The original vaccines were something like 80-90% effective* against the original variant and dropped to between 90 and 60% effective against Delta depending on which one you had. Id guess you got Alpha or Beta where it was more like 80-90% effective. Then there were the newer vaccine versions and boosters which diddtarget the later variants so it's quite complicated.

Your vaccination might have had absolutely no effect at all, but that was really rare.

*Effective meaning that it prevented hospitalisation. Eg. 90% effective means that if we would expect 100 unvaccinated people to be hospitalised in a group of people then in a vaccinated similar group only 10 would be hospitalised. There was also strong evidence showing that even when hospitalised the mortality rate for those hospitalised was lower.

We're both young(ish) and healthy. It would have been very unlikely we'd have both ended up any more ill without than we were with the vaccine.

It's impossible to tell, so absolutely impossible to state that it somehow made things less bad.

I'm fairly sure it was 0% effective for both of us.

 

[aveatry]

Yes PPE does need to be sterile.

Even if you don't believe in COVID then the people in hospital are still there because they're ill, those germs cannot be passed around to other patients or to doctors.

Wrong 1 ----ppe for covid does not need to be sterile, as I said I know someone who works in the NHS works on the front line and is high up. Do you think the bin liners that nurses were wearing were sterile. You are doing that thing you do when you just spout stuff and you know f all about it.

 

[King Billy]

Wrong 1 ----ppe for covid does not need to be sterile, as I said I know someone who works in the NHS works on the front line and is high up. Do you think the bin liners that nurses were wearing were sterile

They were the best that were available at the time during the shortage of PPE.
Substandard PPE is probably more dangerous than none at all.
With none at all, you improvise.
With substandard PPE yu put your faith in PPE that is not fit for purpose.

 

[noseall]

It's impossible to tell,

I'm fairly sure

Righto, minto.

 

[aveatry]

For covid General ppe on a ward is not sterile. Even the face shields were not sterile, the plastic over the head gowns, the pinny type ones, the standard blue masks either. None of it was or needed to be sterile. And they are all 1 use items. Like I say I know someone who worked on a covid designated ward. Everyone who came to hospital and were tested for covid and the positive ones but not dieing were snt to covid designated wards.

 

[IT Minion]

Wrong 1 ----ppe for covid does not need to be sterile, as I said I know someone who works in the NHS works on the front line and is high up. Do you think the bin liners that nurses were wearing were sterile. You are doing that thing you do when you just spout stuff and you know f all about it.

You tool. If you don't have the proper equipment you make do with what you have, but that doesn't make binliners suitable equipment.

Ask your contact in the NHS if they agree that sterile PPE doesn't need to be sterile.

 

[aveatry]

They were the best that were available at the time during the shortage of PPE.
Substandard PPE is probably more dangerous than none at all.
With none at all, you improvise.
With substandard PPE yu put your faith in PPE that is not fit for purpose.

No one not even the latest report has said why the covid ppe was substandard, not fit for purpose, and as nosefall claims tat and blup even saying it was fake ppe
There was nothing wrong with it for covid ppe.

 

[IT Minion]

No one not even the latest report has said why the covid ppe was substandard, not fit for purpose, and as nosefall claims tat and blup even saying it was fake ppe
There was nothing wrong with it for covid ppe.

You never looked once for any reports of this did you?

PPE Medpro must repay £122m for breach of contract | Good Law Project

The company Michelle Mone landed on the Tories’ unlawful VIP lane has 14 days to repay £122m for gowns supplied during the pandemic and never used.

goodlawproject.org

 

[aveatry]

You tool. If you don't have the proper equipment you make do with what you have, but that doesn't make binliners suitable equipment.

Ask your contact in the NHS if they agree that sterile PPE doesn't need to be sterile.

Dummy of course sterile stuff needs to be sterile but the ppe for covid does not need to be sterile. Just for the avoidance of thickos when I say not needed to be sterile I am not talking about using a plastic gown all day, they are none sterile in a box on the wall you help yourself put it on for one patient and then bin it, but not all patient contact requires a gown/ apron as it depends on what you are doing with the patient, such as washing. Please shut up as you know nothing about the subject (not for the first time)