Replacing back garden light - would you choose light with PIR sensor?

[mikehammer69]

I tried out the model with no controls at my own place
30second on time(fixed) dead handy setup

No sensitivity or lux and just 30 sec on-time . Im happy enough with it

It was a relief after all the time setting up lights with 3 controls for customers to the best of my ability

 

[mikehammer69]

Damn i just realized i qouted myself

 

[morqthana]

When you talk to yourself does anybody listen?

 

[ebee]

When I talk to meeself I listen but I`m not sure anybody else does unless it`s to counter my opinion.

 

[spile]

I agree with the comment about having a separate LED and PIR. I have just replaced a PIR but no need to touch the light. A tenner from screwfix.

 

[ebee]

One thing about "Security Lights" I would never call them that.

Many years ago I took the stand against that term.
I would explain to customers that I preffered to call them "Courtesy Lights" - simple reason I see the prime reason to install them as to keep you safe by making you ablle to see in the dark and not have an accident.

With any basic lighting system that`s what we use any lighting for primarily.

We might wish to try to deter Sykes from entering our property and stealing/damaging our goods and the first basic line of defence is to make them be seen and/or be heard if they try and if they realise that they may decide to move on to another property to reduce their risk.
Ok in populated areas but not much in others, it may alert us if we are on site or it may not.
But I always cautioned one thought to consider - lighting can sometimes have the opposite effect - Sykes comes and looks and cant see so he brings a torch, but you had the courstesy of assisting him with adequate lighting so he walks around casing the joint more easily and with little or no risk of being seen.

I used to get scoffed at by trade and by public until one day there was a nice big theft at a property about 30 miles away from me - a tyre depot had a massive burglary from their compound on the blind side of their building, traffic passing by the front constantly, maybe police cars too.
A team of Sykes with a wagon raided the lot and were no doubt helped by good vision being provide by the lighting system.
I was no longer laughed at.

If your property has a good chance of being viewed by the public a lot of the time then that makes you more likely to be safer than if there is little chance increasing the risk.

Basically, lighting often makes you safer but often might increase your risk of theft.

Always consider both effects before deciding!

 

[ericmark]

lighting can sometimes have the opposite effect

Some 5 foot sheer drops around my house, so to stop intruders better no light.

 

[ebee]

Some 5 foot sheer drops around my house, so to stop intruders better no light.

Nice one Eric - A moat is desireable ???

 

[ericmark]

Nice one Eric - A moat is desireable ???

It is not my design, and I am looking at fitting a rope handrail to stop anyone walking the wrong side of the car, I remember from my days in collage, you can't set a trap, but you can watch someone walk into a danger.

Except where local by-laws come in, to have glass on the top of a wall in plain view was a deterrent, but it is not visible it was considered as a trap. In some places by-laws ban it anyway. The same goes for razor or barbed wire, but I know in the Falklands for example, use of barbed wire is banned.

I will fit more handrails, as if someone falls it is a lot of work clearing up the blood, but I am in no hurry to install them.

 

[mikehammer69]

One thing about "Security Lights" I would never call them that.

Many years ago I took the stand against that term.
I would explain to customers that I preffered to call them "Courtesy Lights" - simple reason I see the prime reason to install them as to keep you safe by making you ablle to see in the dark and not have an accident.

With any basic lighting system that`s what we use any lighting for primarily.

We might wish to try to deter Sykes from entering our property and stealing/damaging our goods and the first basic line of defence is to make them be seen and/or be heard if they try and if they realise that they may decide to move on to another property to reduce their risk.
Ok in populated areas but not much in others, it may alert us if we are on site or it may not.
But I always cautioned one thought to consider - lighting can sometimes have the opposite effect - Sykes comes and looks and cant see so he brings a torch, but you had the courstesy of assisting him with adequate lighting so he walks around casing the joint more easily and with little or no risk of being seen.

I used to get scoffed at by trade and by public until one day there was a nice big theft at a property about 30 miles away from me - a tyre depot had a massive burglary from their compound on the blind side of their building, traffic passing by the front constantly, maybe police cars too.
A team of Sykes with a wagon raided the lot and were no doubt helped by good vision being provide by the lighting system.
I was no longer laughed at.

If your property has a good chance of being viewed by the public a lot of the time then that makes you more likely to be safer than if there is little chance increasing the risk.

Basically, lighting often makes you safer but often might increase your risk of theft.

Always consider both effects before deciding!

It’s an interesting discussion what works and what doesn’t in terms of deterrence

Like you say I remember being told not to fit any exterior lighting in an equipment yard for the reasons you outlined

He was paying and reckoned it would make it easier for thieves i dunno

 

[ebee]

Yes , I think often it would deter but there are instances it might encourage or assist.
My words were given to make clear the unintended consequences of actions and to make a considered judgement.