Whilst we have the current range of boilers and they are very efficient and all that good stuff, they don't seem to promise the longevity that the old boilers did. ..or even the reliability. Good news for CORGI guys of course but bad news for the consumer
started the post off.......
It is a pity no one else has come in because to you it may look "personal".*
But I say again, educate me..** link or show me the figures that prove why to fit my 72% boiler is virtually a crime in this country..
It uses too much fuel and the emissions are poor too.
"You are saying modern boilers brake down a lot and provided no figures"
I did provide figures, the Sedbuk table, after your figure that older boilers ran as low as 50% efficiency!
That is
efficiency not breaking down. Got it?
You keep saying "30 years ago" " back in the 1970's" What world are you in ? My example is to compare a 1990 boiler with little or no working parts, linked to a system with at most two (expensive) working parts, pump and diverter valve, with the best A boiler.
I mean everything: cold tank, F&E tank, ballcock, cylinder, zone valves, stats, boiler, pump etc, EVERYTHING. The system. In a combi only the rads are outside the boiler case, everything is put inside the case: zone valve, pump, stats, etc. Anything goes wrong inside a combi and its the boiler. If a pump goes in an old system the boiler is pointed to. If the ballcock goes it is not the boiler. Think SYSTEM, then look at the picture.
You see my world is where even the old cheap boilers, at 72%, lasted 20 years ! (very good for the environment)
Look again!!! Read what I write.
The thread is about the environment and longevity of modern boilers, you make a statement to say that a "quality boiler" will outlast the older Ideal Classic type, now that is nonsense. At what cost? that is the whole point of the thread, your modern boiler will last twenty years, but at what cost? your new boiler will not cost more to service/repair ? , it will not need new pcb's, or a fan or heatstats or diverter valves or pumps?
I know of many quality makes that are 20 years old with no parts added in that time. Old Vaillants, Viessmann (well 15 years old in their case), Archie Kidd, etc. I take you have never experienced a modern quality boiler.
Just take time to read the first hundred posts (about boilers) on this forum, they prove my point, dozens and dozens of complaints about faulty pcb's
You are spouting tripe. Obviously statistics was not your subject.
* You dont know me or my background but you say "The trouble with the likes of you is that you just don't understand boilers, systems and controls in any depth having superficial knowledge" and then you say do not take it personal? ...... in your words...what nonsense.
An honest opinion.
I like an honest debate or thread with anyone but, as I think you might say..., it's people like you who read the manufacturers efficiency tables and are blind to what is going on in the real world, the world where even the best boilers do not last without expensive repairs,
Figures please! Stop making things up.
where a £60 pump is 'adapted' to fit a combi and now costs £180, where there are now two pcb boards fitted to boilers at £100 each and when the pump or any other part leaks they may need replacing. How is this energy efficient?
You are talking through your uneducated rear end again. You are implying all boilers need a pcb, pump, etc every few years. Total tripe.
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