Trading Tips

From next year, that cash interest may be deemed in excess of your allowance if its was generated from a pot above £12k created in tax year 27/28 on. Otherwise it's a nice easy way around Rachel's new ISA rules.
 
@Highway Man

Open trading 212.
Just select the stocks ISA tab.
Just that one. Nothing else.
Answer questions to open account. They have to ask the questions for legal reasons so just answer them.
Sign form. Basically tick box..
Transfer £10 in.
Buy a global fund.

Come back when you have done that.
We can move to the next step.
but don't buy when the markets are closed. e.g. the weekend.

by the sound of it, he's already spent it on a new motorbike :LOL:
 
very sound advice, I just hope to god nobody now comes on with a load of jargon to crush my confidence. These graphs and indexs just throws it out of the window for me.
In that case I will not tell you about the 4000 shares I bought in Debenhams in 2012 and held till they went into administration circa 2019. £5k slowly down the plughole. If Justin had been around he would have advised me to have a stoploss sell point at 20% down I guess.
 
Yeah..
Interest being paid daily on cash held in stocks ISA is a headache for the government it seems.
Cash ISA is easy to tax.

People transferring money in and out and selling and buying stocks causes the cash pot held to be constantly changing for some accounts.
Government need UK people to invest in our companies yet the propose restrictions I don't fully understand. As it stands is a good interest rate and paid daily. Who's getting 3.8% in high street bank?
 
In that case I will not tell you about the 4000 shares I bought in Debenhams in 2012 and held till they went into administration circa 2019. £5k slowly down the plughole. If Justin had been around he would have advised me to have a stoploss sell point at 20% down I guess.
It's so hard to cash out on a loss. It makes it real. and of course as has been said stop losses can bump you out on a volatile day without getting you back in, when they recover.
 
Terms used:
Fund - is usually either an

ETF (Exchange Traded Fund) which is simply a bunch of shares, all related usually. They behave much like single shares
OR an
OEIC like Jupiter India, Legal and General Emerging Markets, Aberdeen USA small co shares, Schroder's Financial opportunities
You don't know exactly what stocks it holds or how it plays with Options etc to keep the value up, but the return can be much higher than a straight bunch of shares. One reason for that is that if the shares in the funds start dropping, the fund-holder can "short" them and gain some value. They are "managed". Usually they're just called Funds
Instrument
is anything you can buy or sell.
Stock, usually just means shares
Shares bits of companies.
Name a shorthand for Instrument

Bond is rather loose, Often only gets its gain from lending money, so not company related, Can be a hybrid.

Stop loss.
If the price is 100, you can in theory set a stop loss at 95 so if the price drops 5%, it sells for you.
With Trading 212 it'll sell at 95 without the price on the chart getting near 95
Trailing Stop Loss
If the price is going up say 1% a day, you can set a TS which hangs say 2% under the price. It ratchets up, it doesn't go down. So the price has 2% of "wiggle room", but if it falls by more than 2% from the highest it's been to, it sells.
If you set the distance (the 2%) too tight, it'll stop you out earlier than you wanted.

Take Profit
If the price is 99-101 all the time, you can put a TP at 105 to catch a spike up to grab a lucky profit.

Apart from some shares I'm all out at the moment, the market's high and being an old git I'm not supposed to be holding risk in case something dramatic happens and it takes a long time to recover.
Like a Tworld Twar.
Someone has just had a go at shooting Trump.
It sounds like they didn't get very near him, but something like that could cause an implosion. Nothing is logical.

If there IS a big kwadoonk ( technical term for a collapse...) a Global fund will drop like a rock too.
You cannot use stop-losses on some funds at all, such as the ones called OEICS.


You CAN use Stop losses on ETFs, but not on all platforms
On shares AND ETFs, on some platforms you can't use a Stop-Loss at the same time as a Take Profit (sell when the price rises to your level)
eToro you can ,Trading 212 you can't, in the Invest or Isa platform.

That's a killer for me, I want TP's as well as Stop Losses.. Quite often the price of an ETF will spike upwards, possibly by 5% or even 10%, and you can catch it when it does that. If you only have a stop loss, then you can only guarantee a loss, if you see what I mean.
Also, some platforms have better sorts of stop losses which protect you a little bit , or a lot, depending on type, against a quick, artificial narrow spike downwards (illegal manipulation which happens all the b..... time ) , "stopping you out" at a loss.
SO I won't be using Trading 212 more. IG has those better Stop-Losses, a good uninvested cash interest, and they appear to have removed most or all costs.
Trading 212 is run from Bulgaria. As I've said before, the way they get their prices and display them, is basically legal fraud. Reprehensible. Robinhood does the same. When you challenge their HELP people about it, they deflect, obfuscate, and lie through their teeth.

Something else really useful which Trading 212 doesn't have in the Invest accounts, is Trailing Stops.
eToro has those as well. (But their site annoys me and their fees built into spreads, are appaling!)

So NO, i wouldn't recommend a Global fund at Trading212.
If you're putting 5k in, and you use IG, you can use shares in 5 companies , and use trailing stop losses.
I'd buy a stock which is rising from some sort of dip, and when it has risen enough that you can get the stoploss over your starting price, you can't lose, so let it run.
You could pick a Memory stock like Micron, up 519% in the last 12 months, Arcadian Asset management, up 151% in the last 12 months, etc etc, Use a screener and pick 5, preferably in different areas. You could use a broad ETF llike Asia Pacific , up 70% in the last year, , or Dell (computers, data centre hardware) up 127% last year. Erasca, 1610% in the last 12 months, 14% in the last week.
Look at the charts, use wot I sed about trends and pull backs, only buy them when they're rising from a dip, & have a look at those Moving Averages I pointed out.
If you find about 8 contenders, you can set Alerts on your phone. If one you have has reached a High and is starting to go flat (look at different timeframes) get out and find something rising after a pull back.
You CAN use some of the better STOPS on the T212 CFD platform, but they charge you credit card rates, as peviously explained. IG is much cheaper. Pepperstone even less.

Trading 212 also has the most infuriating charts. You can't use multiple screens (like 2) properly, and NONE of the things you want to set and keep using, "stick". So you have to make the scale text size big enough to read, EVERY time you go to a chart. Day-break markers don't stick either, If you draw a trend-line or Levels on a chart, neither do those.
I once grilled their Chat people about the non-sticking text size. They lied - they said it was ok their end, and they wanted never-ending screen shots and videos. They know perfectly well it doesn't work properly. It's because they're using Tradingview's charts but only the very cheap version. They basically want to tire you out so you stop asking so you go away. The platform is not resident on yor PC, it's in the cloud, so it's the same for everyone.

Back to the stocks (or ETFs)
You only need 1.4% a week to double your money in a year. Piece of Wazz.
You can afford to be in CASH so you're ready to buy, don't bother using a "safe" fund (which will pay you about 0.02% per day) because the money is tied up. If they pay interest on uninvested cash like most do, it helps a teeny bit but so small it's irrelevant.
Note that on most platforms, it takes a day to get your money when you sell a share, or ~2 days when you sell an ETF. Trading 212 wins there, it's almost instant.
 
Terms used:
Fund - is usually either an

ETF (Exchange Traded Fund) which is simply a bunch of shares, all related usually. They behave much like single shares
OR an
OEIC like Jupiter India, Legal and General Emerging Markets, Aberdeen USA small co shares, Schroder's Financial opportunities
You don't know exactly what stocks it holds or how it plays with Options etc to keep the value up, but the return can be much higher than a straight bunch of shares. One reason for that is that if the shares in the funds start dropping, the fund-holder can "short" them and gain some value. They are "managed". Usually they're just called Funds
Instrument
is anything you can buy or sell.
Stock, usually just means shares
Shares bits of companies.
Name a shorthand for Instrument

Bond is rather loose, Often only gets its gain from lending money, so not company related, Can be a hybrid.

Stop loss.
If the price is 100, you can in theory set a stop loss at 95 so if the price drops 5%, it sells for you.
With Trading 212 it'll sell at 95 without the price on the chart getting near 95
Trailing Stop Loss
If the price is going up say 1% a day, you can set a TS which hangs say 2% under the price. It ratchets up, it doesn't go down. So the price has 2% of "wiggle room", but if it falls by more than 2% from the highest it's been to, it sells.
If you set the distance (the 2%) too tight, it'll stop you out earlier than you wanted.

Take Profit
If the price is 99-101 all the time, you can put a TP at 105 to catch a spike up to grab a lucky profit.

Apart from some shares I'm all out at the moment, the market's high and being an old git I'm not supposed to be holding risk in case something dramatic happens and it takes a long time to recover.
Like a Tworld Twar.
Someone has just had a go at shooting Trump.
It sounds like they didn't get very near him, but something like that could cause an implosion. Nothing is logical.

If there IS a big kwadoonk ( technical term for a collapse...) a Global fund will drop like a rock too.
You cannot use stop-losses on some funds at all, such as the ones called OEICS.


You CAN use Stop losses on ETFs, but not on all platforms
On shares AND ETFs, on some platforms you can't use a Stop-Loss at the same time as a Take Profit (sell when the price rises to your level)
eToro you can ,Trading 212 you can't, in the Invest or Isa platform.

That's a killer for me, I want TP's as well as Stop Losses.. Quite often the price of an ETF will spike upwards, possibly by 5% or even 10%, and you can catch it when it does that. If you only have a stop loss, then you can only guarantee a loss, if you see what I mean.
Also, some platforms have better sorts of stop losses which protect you a little bit , or a lot, depending on type, against a quick, artificial narrow spike downwards (illegal manipulation which happens all the b..... time ) , "stopping you out" at a loss.
SO I won't be using Trading 212 more. IG has those better Stop-Losses, a good uninvested cash interest, and they appear to have removed most or all costs.
Trading 212 is run from Bulgaria. As I've said before, the way they get their prices and display them, is basically legal fraud. Reprehensible. Robinhood does the same. When you challenge their HELP people about it, they deflect, obfuscate, and lie through their teeth.

Something else really useful which Trading 212 doesn't have in the Invest accounts, is Trailing Stops.
eToro has those as well. (But their site annoys me and their fees built into spreads, are appaling!)

So NO, i wouldn't recommend a Global fund at Trading212.
If you're putting 5k in, and you use IG, you can use shares in 5 companies , and use trailing stop losses.
I'd buy a stock which is rising from some sort of dip, and when it has risen enough that you can get the stoploss over your starting price, you can't lose, so let it run.
You could pick a Memory stock like Micron, up 519% in the last 12 months, Arcadian Asset management, up 151% in the last 12 months, etc etc, Use a screener and pick 5, preferably in different areas. You could use a broad ETF llike Asia Pacific , up 70% in the last year, , or Dell (computers, data centre hardware) up 127% last year. Erasca, 1610% in the last 12 months, 14% in the last week.
Look at the charts, use wot I sed about trends and pull backs, only buy them when they're rising from a dip, & have a look at those Moving Averages I pointed out.
If you find about 8 contenders, you can set Alerts on your phone. If one you have has reached a High and is starting to go flat (look at different timeframes) get out and find something rising after a pull back.
You CAN use some of the better STOPS on the T212 CFD platform, but they charge you credit card rates, as peviously explained. IG is much cheaper. Pepperstone even less.

Trading 212 also has the most infuriating charts. You can't use multiple screens (like 2) properly, and NONE of the things you want to set and keep using, "stick". So you have to make the scale text size big enough to read, EVERY time you go to a chart. Day-break markers don't stick either, If you draw a trend-line or Levels on a chart, neither do those.
I once grilled their Chat people about the non-sticking text size. They lied - they said it was ok their end, and they wanted never-ending screen shots and videos. They know perfectly well it doesn't work properly. It's because they're using Tradingview's charts but only the very cheap version. They basically want to tire you out so you stop asking so you go away. The platform is not resident on yor PC, it's in the cloud, so it's the same for everyone.

Back to the stocks (or ETFs)
You only need 1.4% a week to double your money in a year. Piece of Wazz.
You can afford to be in CASH so you're ready to buy, don't bother using a "safe" fund (which will pay you about 0.02% per day) because the money is tied up. If they pay interest on uninvested cash like most do, it helps a teeny bit but so small it's irrelevant.
Note that on most platforms, it takes a day to get your money when you sell a share, or ~2 days when you sell an ETF. Trading 212 wins there, it's almost instant.
So which is the best app/platform for a bit if trading ? I’m going to a few k in and see what I can do.
 
Best app depends.
Invest engine is only ETF funds.
T212 is everything.
I'm with trading 212.

You need to keep things simple.
90% of your cash should go In global fund and keep chucking in every month. Never need to look at it.

If you must. If you have an inch that needs scratching then max 10% of your available cash have a punt on a stock. I wouldn't yet.

You can get yourself in a terrible mental situation investing in punts.
Yes it's exciting but also upsetting.
Making money podcast covers this.
I've seen it. I've warned people. Might as well talk to the cat!

Time in the market is better then timing the market.
You can't time the market.
For Jo public. One global ETF is all you need. That's it.
 
Best app depends.
Invest engine is only ETF funds.
T212 is everything.
I'm with trading 212.

You need to keep things simple.
90% of your cash should go In global fund and keep chucking in every month. Never need to look at it.

If you must. If you have an inch that needs scratching then max 10% of your available cash have a punt on a stock. I wouldn't yet.

You can get yourself in a terrible mental situation investing in punts.
Yes it's exciting but also upsetting.
Making money podcast covers this.
I've seen it. I've warned people. Might as well talk to the cat!

Time in the market is better then timing the market.
You can't time the market.
For Jo public. One global ETF is all you need. That's it.
Great advice.
 
Best app depends.
Invest engine is only ETF funds.
T212 is everything.
I'm with trading 212.

You need to keep things simple.
90% of your cash should go In global fund and keep chucking in every month. Never need to look at it.

If you must. If you have an inch that needs scratching then max 10% of your available cash have a punt on a stock. I wouldn't yet.

You can get yourself in a terrible mental situation investing in punts.
Yes it's exciting but also upsetting.
Making money podcast covers this.
I've seen it. I've warned people. Might as well talk to the cat!

Time in the market is better then timing the market.
You can't time the market.
For Jo public. One global ETF is all you need. That's it.
If you want to ake good money you need leverage. You can't do much of that in an ISA, so consider that first.

No, Trading 212 doesn't do managed funds,, so not everything. .
Trading212 is not best at anything much.
For trading, IG because their overnight interest is less than T212, (And you can use the "spread betting" option which avoids bothering with tax.)
And if you want to sort of semi-trade in an Invest Account, then it's lacking those Trailing/stoploss/ Take-Profit options. And there's the A-hole factor with T212..
IG has a clever AI chat bot which answered complex questions for me. No BS at all!

T212 ISA - same issues as their Invest platform.
II is too expensive for 5k, uncompetitive below about 90k iirc and not great for trading - too clunky. Lots of funds though
AJBell ok for fees, but a bit awkward, I found. Excellent screener - use it. (Finviz's is good but different. )
Hargreaves Lansdown have modified their fees to they aren't so high. Best for letting you know what's going on , and drawing charts to show progess. Not as many funds but enough. Expensive and slow for trading ETFs and Shares. Not for day trading.
Oh, T212 get very arsey if you do short term trades., like under 5 minutes. I did that and they froze the account for a day, and never explained why. They always give you a load of BS - and lie through their teeth.

So starting off, I'd say IG for trading shares & ETFs, HL for holding managed funds and the odd ETF/share.
If you plan "SwingTrading" where you hold for a few days to a few weeks, you definitely need Take Profits as well as Stop Losses, so not T212.

You can swing trade with Funds (OEICS) but don't try day trading - there's a long trading delay.
Delays on ETFs vary.

Funds (OEICs) can be kinda nice. I just bought some Polar Capital Smart Energy. Up 125% on the last 12 months.
The nearest ETF I can find is FGRD, which only made half as much.
PCSE is monotonic. (hasn't dipped)

World index?? Why?? there's always something better. Over 12 months Asia Pacific is over double, Emerging Markets beats it... Korea left it for dust.

"World" includes all the less good sectors and less good places.


I think I'd disagree with most that Wayners wrote. Your mileage may vary....

I think the clearest demo, though i'll get the numbers a bit wrong:
5 years in the S&P 500 (Which generally beats "world") You'd have doubled your money
5 years picking the SECOND best SECTOR for each year, you'd have quintupled your money
5 years picking the best sector from the past 3 months and weighting your money towards it, , ie just hindsight , AI said was a 7 fold increase .

"Time In= best" is a myth. If you enter at a bad time, you can simply lose money for a year or more, which may take years to recover, there's simply no need to.
 
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awkward in what way, I've just jumped ship from HL to Bell
They give you almost nothing about your fund is doing. WIth HL its easy to see when you bought, at what price.
You don't know if, overall, you're up or down since yesterday, iirc.
When the market's closed, you can't place buy or sell orders for some things like etfs, because you can't place limit orders. NOt sure if that's for all of them.
Some of their pages are a pita too, you find you keep having to re-enter the same info.
If you find something on THEIR screener and try to buy it, quite often you can't for some reason, or you have to use the Search for the fund - that sort of thing. It gives you a "we don't have this fund, try searching for it", daft message.
I think it's AJB where you can't set stop losses for ETFs/non uk shares.
Their tax form is good though, unlike ii's.
AJBs fees are sensible, and FX isn't as much % as some.

ii share some of the same annoyances. None of them seem to do proper testing with their pages.

I've got too many acounts probably, but I'd keep the HL one going just for the graphing/info. Their Portfolio analysis tool is very good, you can quickly try comparisons.
I'm just adding a couple of lumps, and it has to be to ii because I'm past the point where they don't charge any more - ie flat fee.
WHen you get to various threshholds, different platforms become cheaper.
 
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