696 migrants, 14 boats

[Deleted member 18243]

Keep voting the same to get the same.

Very true, but what can you do about it when there is no one to vote for?

There are always small parties with good ideas but they never have a hope of getting elected.

The only other option available is to abstain, but that has no effect either.

 

[IT Minion]

If only we had proportional representation...

 

[noseall]

Britain has to police the EUs border in Ulster.

You mean the ancient border between the UK and Ireland? Gosh, there's a new revelation.

 

[Notch7]

Britain has to police the EUs border in Ulster.

There is no EU border in Ulster

NI and RoI are both in the single market

 

[Vinty]

You mean the ancient border between the UK and Ireland?

Geography and history aren't your strongpoints obviously.
There has never been a border between the Island of Ireland ( until now) and the UK.

 

[Vinty]

There is no EU border in Ulster

Yes there is.

 

[motorbiking]

This is and has been a long term problem. I can’t imagine the anti conservatives on this forum could conclude its anything other than a problem this government created.

There seems to be two options:

Tough policy that deters migrants
Welcoming them to our shores.

We can’t have both.

 

[IT Minion]

This is and has been a long term problem. I can’t imagine the anti conservatives on this forum could conclude its anything other than a problem this government created.

There seems to be two options:

Tough policy that deters migrants
Welcoming them to our shores.

We can’t have both.

Which migrants? In terms that overly simple we have to treat doctors the same as unskilled workers and temporary farm workers the same as refugees.

 

[Vinty]

It's not the EU's border though it's ours. We wanted our borders.
Take responsibility for it and stop blaming others.

It is an EU border which is being policed by the British government

 

[IT Minion]

It is an EU border which is being policed by the British government

It's a border for both the UK and the EU. pretending otherwise is absurd.

It is also obvious that it is being policed because we took back control of our borders. This is exactly what Brexiters voted for and exactly* what Boris signed us up for.

*it's not as we haven't done our part fully yet. But we're on the way even if we're lagging behind.

 

[Vinty]

Tough policy that deters migrants
Welcoming them to our shores.

We can’t have both

If the first option is ruled out because of the constraints imposed by living in a democracy, then option two is the only alternative.

 

[Notch7]

Yes there is.

provide the evidence of said border

what does it do

why is it an EU border

 

[Notch7]

This is and has been a long term problem. I can’t imagine the anti conservatives on this forum could conclude its anything other than a problem this government created.

of course it is not a conservative created problem.

the problem is Conservatives are using directing blame at migrants to deflect from all the problems decades of failed neo liberalism caused by Tories

NHS -problem is Tories not migrants
housing crisis -problem is Tories not migrants
stagnant wages -problem is Tories not migrants


Tory supporting press ramping up hatred of migrants:

 

[Vinty]

provide the evidence of said border

what does it do

why is it an EU border

EU wants permanent border check sites in Northern Ireland by mid-2021

Northern Ireland minister faces huge criticism over decision to halt work on permanent border control posts.

www-politico-eu.cdn.ampproject.org

 

[diy_fun_uk]

of course it is not a conservative created problem.

the problem is Conservatives are using directing blame at migrants to deflect from all the problems decades of failed neo liberalism caused by Tories

NHS -problem is Tories not migrants
housing crisis -problem is Tories not migrants
stagnant wages -problem is Tories not migrants


Tory supporting press ramping up hatred of migrants:

I agree migrants are a very useful distraction for government, hence me wondering if they actually want to fix this.

France and UK aren't poor countries. Said before, why not throw money at it for a year or two, multiple 24/7 patrols at the French end, coupled with drones to ensure all relevant areas of French coastline are heavily monitored.