A 22-year-old Afghan national.

pete01 said:
Why do you never pick him on his crap, but you dont mind starting with me?
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What I posted wasn't "starting with you". I said he was wrong to post that. I said I've been equally wrong. I said you've been equally wrong. If someone is rude to me, I might let it go, I might not. He wasn't being rude to me, so I didn't respond to him directly.

Remember we're talking here about an insult, and not even one aimed at character or intelligence. It wasn't an accusation of criminality or depravity etc.

Wrong? Yes.

Worthy of a exaggerated indignity? Not really.

Was it the sort of thing you'd report?
 
Munroast said:
No body has said they are all committing serious crime, it will only be a small proportion of them, but on a pro rata or per capita basis the numbers according to what jenerick was able to uncover are extremely disproportionate

May be it is beyond your comprehension, but if, lets say 0.4% of our population is made up of migrants that have arrived illegally, and lets say 4% of a certain types of serious crimes are being committed by them, then can you see that would be disproportionate?

And if the figures jenerick was able to come up with are not fact, then why are the real figures being suppressed ? could it be that the real figures could cause serious problems ?
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Do you think the rhetoric from the likes of Reform follows that rationale? Or do you think they tweak the narrative to push the assertion that it's more than a minority?

I want to be clear. See my other posts in other threads. I do not agree with the current farce that is the migrant situation. However, if nothing else from a logic pov, it annoys when narratives are disseminated that are blatantly guff.

The likes of Reform are perfectly happy for the perception to be 'they're all dangerous, don't trust any of them!'

Don't get me wrong, of course all parties tweak narratives to suit their agenda, that's politics. However on stuff like this, it can be dangerous as it gives idiots the perception they need to act, even if that's in an illegal way. Like the 20 year old Sikh woman who was raped by two white guys and told 'you don't belong here.'

The tweaked/twisted narrative feeds this sort of thing.

What annoys me most of all is both this and the previous government have failed to get to grips with the migrant issue.
 
Munroast said:
No body has said they are all committing serious crime, it will only be a small proportion of them, but on a pro rata or per capita basis the numbers according to what jenerick was able to uncover are extremely disproportionate

May be it is beyond your comprehension, but if, lets say 0.4% of our population is made up of migrants that have arrived illegally, and lets say 4% of a certain types of serious crimes are being committed by them, then can you see that would be disproportionate?

And if the figures jenerick was able to come up with are not fact, then why are the real figures being suppressed ? could it be that the real figures could cause serious problems ?
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You want it to be so
 
diy_fun_uk said:
Do you think the rhetoric from the likes of Reform follows that rationale? Or do you think they tweak the narrative to push the assertion that it's more than a minority?
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No reform needed - no narrative needed - just look at the news - maybe its bad timing then that there are so many murders - rape attempts - assaults by people who arrived on boats and lorries.
 
diy_fun_uk said:
Do you think the rhetoric from the likes of Reform follows that rationale? Or do you think they tweak the narrative to push the assertion that it's more than a minority?

I want to be clear. See my other posts in other threads. I do not agree with the current farce that is the migrant situation. However, if nothing else from a logic pov, it annoys when narratives are disseminated that are blatantly guff.

The likes of Reform are perfectly happy for the perception to be 'they're all dangerous, don't trust any of them!'

Don't get me wrong, of course all parties tweak narratives to suit their agenda, that's politics. However on stuff like this, it can be dangerous as it gives idiots the perception they need to act, even if that's in an illegal way. Like the 20 year old Sikh woman who was raped by two white guys and told 'you don't belong here.'

The tweaked/twisted narrative feeds this sort of thing.

What annoys me most of all is both this and the previous government have failed to get to grips with the migrant issue.
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as I said earlier I suspect Jenerick to of exaggerated, but equally there will be truth behind it.

And without the truth, which is obviously being suppressed, then how can anyone asses risk ?
carmanmemoranda said:
You want it to be so
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Not particularly
but I guess it is so, why else is the data not in the public domain? it must be very damming.
 
Knave of Hearts said:
Your original comment had no mention of UK. It wasn't mentioned until Morqthana introduced it.
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Which I did because yes, there have been Jewish murderers, even serial killers, in other parts of the world, and domestic Jewish terrorists. There have been Jewish terrorists regarded as freedom fighters by Israel.


And I'll tell you what there has been in this country:

Antisemitism in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

I invite people to read that, and see how many parallels they can spot between the way that Jewish immigrants and asylum seekers have in the past been portrayed in the press, the demonstrations, rallies, marches, and violence they've been the target of, the rabble-rousing politicians trying to turn the population against them, and what is happening today regarding migrants and asylum seekers of a different ethnicity.

And I'd invite them to note that there are people on this forum who would have been incensed by anti-Semitism like that who are quite happy to demonise today's migrants and asylum seekers.
 
Why don't you come back with something other than an unbelievably ludicrous assertion that pointing out legal realities is defending him.

No need to panic though - you can stay away from the forum for as long as you need to do that, I won't be holding my breath.
 
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