American terrorism ?

[gas112]

That shows a complete lack of understanding about the politics of the period and the very real (perceived) threat at the time of a Soviet invasion of the west. If you lived in the UK at the time it was a lot less if a threat than if you lived within 50km or so of the East German border, and were facing the prospect of nukes being deployed within 72 hours of the Soviet assault commencing (so basically a VERY tense period). So it was absolutely nothing to do with America dictating anything (in fact concerns were voiced by NATO as well as the UK and other European NATO members, such as the Dutch). If you weren't being so anti-American you might just possibly understand that

The issue was always about the suspicion, quite correctly as it turned out in the light of recent events, that Russia would one day use Germany's dependence on its' gas supplies as a means to blackmail Germany and the rest of Europe into silence and non-action. Even the Germans have now come to realise what a mistake Ostpolitik was.

I was living in the Netherlands at the time the first gas pipeline was being mooted and I well recall concerns about Russia' behaviour being raised in both the Dutch and Belgian press, as well as by politicians both on the right and the left of the political spectrum over there which had nothing to do with what the USA thought (in fact some of thevpoliticians raising their voices were also vocal against American influence)

So your inferences couldn't be more wrong if you tried

What bit of it was the west enforcing sanctions on russia that resulted in the gas being used as a bargaining tool sanctions work both ways you cannot attempt to ruin a countries economy without them retaliating . Funny how they didnt raise the fact the the russians could hold themselves and a large part of the world to ransom regard dependency on russian fertilizer

 

[gas112]

Not what he's missing, it's what you're making up.



So you think Nato is a country. Oh dear.
Just because a country hasn't yet signed a defensive anti-bully treaty, isn't justification to bully it before it gets the chance.

you must have some super power where you can see words that are not written who said NATO is a country or inferred it was

 

[albaPhenom]

What bit of it was the west enforcing sanctions on russia that resulted in the gas being used as a bargaining tool sanctions work both ways you cannot attempt to ruin a countries economy without them retaliating . Funny how they didnt raise the fact the the russians could hold themselves and a large part of the world to ransom regard dependency on russian fertilizer

And why were sanctions imposed on Russia?

Was it because Russia declared war and invaded a sovereign nation on the European continent?

Do you think the world should have sat back and did nothing in response?

Either way you slice it, the threat of Russia blackmailing Germany on their energy supply became fact... that relationship is damaged forever as a result.

 

[gas112]

And why were sanctions imposed on Russia?

Was it because Russia declared war and invaded a sovereign nation on the European continent?

Do you think the world should have sat back and did nothing in response?

Either way you slice it, the threat of Russia blackmailing Germany on their energy supply became fact... that relationship is damaged forever as a result.

someone else reading words that have not been written . What bit of sanctions being imposed did you think russia or any other country would not react with their own measures

 

[Justin Passing]

you must have some super power where you can see words that are not written who said NATO or inferred is a country

You meant implied, not inferred.
And you did.
Clumsy buffoonery with the language is matched by the fumbled grasping at facts.

 

[Justin Passing]

someone else reading words that have not been written . What bit of sanctions being imposed did you think russia or any other country would not react with their own measures

Backwards.
Most sanctions were after they went and invaded a neutral country. Or did you think that irrelevant?
Foolish blurtings just you treated with contempt and mockery. Why bother?

 

[gas112]

Backwards.
Most sanctions were after they went and invaded a neutral country. Or did you think that irrelevant?
Foolish blurtings just you treated with contempt and mockery. Why bother?

Still struggling i see that you think countries imposing sanctions will not result in an equal reaction , Guess basic logic and common sense evade you anyone who thought russia would not respond is a fool

 

[denso13]

i see that you think countries imposing sanctions will not result in an equal reaction

Nowhere near an equal reaction. All Vladimir has achieved is the expansion of NATO, the thing he claimed he was trying to avoid by his illegal invasion and land grab.

 

[gas112]

Nowhere near an equal reaction. All Vladimir has achieved is the expansion of NATO, the thing he claimed he was trying to avoid by his illegal invasion and land grab.

really can you name these new members of Nato . And we are talking about sanctions not war alliances .

 

[denso13]

really can you name these new members of Nato

Sweden and Finland.

 

[gas112]

Sweden and Finland.

Really would you like to give a link to when they joined nato

 

[denso13]

Really would you like to give a link to when they joined nato

LOL the ratification process is ongoing, are you really quibbling about joined or joining?

 

[gas112]

LOL the ratification process is ongoing, are you really quibbling about joined or joining?

So your bumping your gums they have not joined NATO yet glad we put you right on that .
Mon, Aug 22, 2022

Sweden and Finland are on their way to NATO membership. Here’s what needs to happen next.​

Issue Brief By John R. Deni

In response to Russia's unprovoked invasion of Ukraine, Finland and Sweden took the historic step of applying to join NATO. Both nations will bring modern capabilities that will help defend against malign actors. As Finland and Sweden's membership is forthcoming, Alliance leaders, NATO watchers, and transatlantic security experts need to consider how to fully integrate the new allies, include them in operational plans, and best enhance defense of a longer border with Russia.

 

[transam]

The fact that the US does
Not have clean hands with ref to there past behaviour

Vietnam
Cambodia
Latin America

Is irrelevant in this Ukrainian caper

We are in the here and now dealing with some Russian fruit cake / nut job

With out the yanks nato probably does not amount to a bag of beans ?

Plus Americans have had to send there sons and daughters to die in Europe to sort European problems

( why should they )

With out the yanks

Saddam would have still been in Kuwait

South Korea would have been over run by the north / chinese

Taiwan would have been invaded by now

The balkans that took American troops to sort

 

[ellal]

LOL the ratification process is ongoing, are you really quibbling about joined or joining?

You're the pedantic one...

Has the expansion already happened yet as you claimed?