Andy Burnham

[fillyboy]

Being tipped as the next Labour leader.
I think he could be a bit dangerous, not a bad politician, young, has a bit of a personality.
To cap all that he's one of them there Northerners, might appeal to the red wall crew.

 

[Notch7]

I like Andy Burnham, he would be an interesting choice.
the socialist lefties would have a paddy as he is considered to be a Blairite -although Im not sure he is really.


I think Labour have a huge problem -the old heavy industries that were union no longer really exist. The big companies now tend to employ lots of self employed contractors.

Im not sure the traditional "workers" exist any more.

 

[^woody^]

But he's full of shiite.

He trades on the "down with it" with the crew on the estates, but I've never heard anything real from him, just constant whinging victim talk.

 

[fillyboy]

I like Andy Burnham, he would be an interesting choice.
the socialist lefties would have a paddy as he is considered to be a Blairite -although Im not sure he is really.

I recall him as being competent, and popular but as you say, the labour election process might block him. If momentum get their way they'll never get back in power.

 

[JohnD]

Im not sure the traditional "workers" exist any more.

Poor gits in Call Centres. Amazon warehouse workers having to pee in bottles. Zero-hours contracts in sports clothes shops and fast food outlets. Uber drivers denied rights. Part-timers with no pension.

The oppressed workers still exist, but are different.

In UK, "workers rights" and employment protection have taken a back seat.

I can't imagine why. We're very hot on consumer protection, compensation for investors, bailing out banks, subsidies for housebuilders. IDS even thinks it's unfair that tax-dodgers should be called on to pay tax.

 

[Dangee]

I’m self employed, I’ve got no rights. I’ve got no protection. I don’t whinge about it. I just perform the best I can
Am I an oppressed worker by your rules John?

 

[EFLImpudence]

Im not sure the traditional "workers" exist any more.

What do you call people employed by the huge American multi-nationals?

 

[Notch7]

What do you call people employed by the huge American multi-nationals?

immigrants

 

[Notch7]

Poor gits in Call Centres. Amazon warehouse workers having to pee in bottles. Zero-hours contracts in sports clothes shops and fast food outlets. Uber drivers denied rights. Part-timers with no pension.

The oppressed workers still exist, but are different.

In UK, "workers rights" and employment protection have taken a back seat.

I can't imagine why. We're very hot on consumer protection, compensation for investors, bailing out banks, subsidies for housebuilders. IDS even thinks it's unfair that tax-dodgers should be called on to pay tax.

they may be oppressed.

but do they consider themselves workers and are they Labour voters?

 

[Dangee]

Mexican

 

[Notch7]

Are Labour voters, the workers?

I think the workers are more likely to be Tory voters

and Labour voters are more likely to be affluent, young metropolitan professional workers -app programmers and stuff

 

[Notch7]

Mexican

no Im having Risotto tonight -thats Italian

 

[^woody^]

Poor gits in Call Centres. Amazon warehouse workers having to pee in bottles. Zero-hours contracts in sports clothes shops and fast food outlets. Uber drivers denied rights. Part-timers with no pension.

The oppressed workers still exist, but are different.

In UK, "workers rights" and employment protection have taken a back seat.

I can't imagine why. We're very hot on consumer protection, compensation for investors, bailing out banks, subsidies for housebuilders. IDS even thinks it's unfair that tax-dodgers should be called on to pay tax.

Presumably, the likes of Amazon and Uber go out and press-gang anyone they can find and force them to work for them?

It sounds like you have never been self-employed, and just sit around on your statutory lunch breaks reading the sensationalist headlines in the Morning Star about all the hard pressed workers forced to work for the nasty capitalist employers.

This is exactly what Burnham thrives on. Everyone's a victim, and it's always someone else's fault. He can help ... if he had any actual big solutions to match his big mouth. And that is exactly why Labour are doing abysmally poor in the polls and in the minds of the electorate - Corbyn/Burnham/JD just the same old backward socialist mentality of the oppressed, with no concept that the world has moved on and people may actually want to work at Amazon, and Uber.

 

[Notch7]

But he's full of shiite.

He trades on the "down with it" with the crew on the estates, but I've never heard anything real from him, just constant whinging victim talk.

he speaks Northern though

 

[JohnD]

Presumably

more made up nonsense from woody.

Invented reasons for attacking someone who disagrees with him.