Another ditched Labour manifesto pledge.

[Notch7]

So we get mottie posting a link where labour are ditching a workers rights manifesto pledge

And then all of a sudden notch is agreeing with it saying its a sensible idea

when for months he has been banging on about it - how reform would remove rights - how labour are so great for workers rights. -- Look at the state of this lot----

If you bothered to read what I just posted in no way does it contradicted what I previously stated.

I am sorry you arent able to debate anything with nuance, detail or facts, when you become an adult and are able to discuss things like a grown up, let me know

 

[Notch7]

Labour are making things up as they go along.

ha ha ha

if they didnt make changes you would a call them inflexible

your comments are just basic tribalism: "IO dont loike Labour so I will interpret everything as negative"

 

[Notch7]

hey are reacting to the media and public concerns, which they should have anticipated and announced as part of the budget

workers rights are not part of a budget

 

[Mottie]

your comments are just basic tribalism: "IO dont loike Labour so I will interpret everything as negative"

It’s a good job you’re not like that with Reform otherwise every other thread would have you mentioning them. Hold on a minute……..

 

[Notch7]

Yep it’s not far off sensible. Would have preferred it going back to the original 12 months.

6 months means we are still less flexible than many of our neighbours. Unfortunately, it will mean firing people in month 5 who you aren’t 100% on as I occasionally do in other regions.

the workers rights bill was done to try and keep the left on board -it was Angela Rayners baby who was the poster girl for Unions.

I think its good to strengthen workers rights, but we need to do it correctly so it supports good staff.


I think 6 months would be ok for a say a low skilled worker, but its probably not enough for a management position or highly qualified person -like in your profession, I imagine it would take a long time to see somebody's ability in law. What is your opinion on that?

 

[Notch7]

It’s a good job you’re not like that with Reform otherwise every other thread would have you mentioning them. Hold on a minute……..

Reform are had loads of tax cuts on their last manifesto, which you voted for...................although it seems you had zero clue what policies Reform had or have now

and now theyve dropped them

you got conned

 

[Mottie]

And again……

 

[motorbiking]

I'm sure you'd prefer the USA system

I've previously said 1 year is workable. 2 years, made the UK a good place to hire.

But workers rights in UK aren't as strong as Europes ( in general)

those proposed would have been the most restrictive in Europe. Worse than France, Germany, the Netherlands etc. who UK workers compete with.

 

[motorbiking]

the workers rights bill was done to try and keep the left on board -it was Angela Rayners baby who was the poster girl for Unions.

I think its good to strengthen workers rights, but we need to do it correctly so it supports good staff.


I think 6 months would be ok for a say a low skilled worker, but its probably not enough for a management position or highly qualified person -like in your profession, I imagine it would take a long time to see somebody's ability in law. What is your opinion on that?

Lots of jobs, need more than 6 months to assess.

Anyone working in Business Development, Sales, Software development.. anything where they are working matters/deals/deliverables for more than 6 months.

In my case, teams are working on things often for 12-18 months, but the lowest paid member of my team is on over 160k Euro OTE and this is where Labour need to think differently. Someone doing a job for £30k should have different protection than someone doing a job for £300k

Unfortunately its those at the start of the working life are the ones being frozen out.

 

[noseall]

Er NO

they are reacting to the media and public concerns

Excellent.

which they should have anticipated and announced as part of the budget

Nonsense.

 

[Notch7]

Someone doing a job for £30k should have different protection than someone doing a job for £300k

I agree.

From my experience of employing people, which isn’t huge and at lower end it is very very difficult to know how somebody will perform from an interview, they can have experience and all the qualifications and still turn out no good.

 

[Notch7]

Im not sure about the banning of zero hours contracts, I think it can benefit employee as well as employer.

The gig economy like Uber, take away deliveries, parcel deliveries Yodel and Evri can be a really flexible work option for people.

But there needs to be checks and balances to avoid people being badly exploited

There was a Hermes hub next to where I had a factory, there was about a dozen or more women arrived every day about 9.15 after dropping their kids off, who would pick up a car load of parcel then shoot off to deliver them. I think they got about £0.45 per item, not a lot but they could do a few hours every day in between the school runs, I guess it added up over the week.

 

[morqthana]

I am sorry you arent able to debate anything with nuance, detail or facts, when you become an adult and are able to discuss things like a grown up, let me know

Don't hold your breath.

 

[ellal]

From my experience of employing people, which isn’t huge and at lower end it is very very difficult to know how somebody will perform from an interview, they can have experience and all the qualifications and still turn out no good.

Why just those at the lower end?

Given the mess the UK is in, those at the top aren't exactly performing that well...

And it's strange that many of those who want a longer period of time for workers to bed in tend to shout the loudest about wanting to judge/sack politicians at the drop of a hat...

Agreed that 'from day one' is not a good idea, but given that those at the bottom tend to get abused the most work wise then maybe a staggered approach as to the length of time required to attain protections?

After all if a manager can't work out if a person can stack shelves within a few months then they're not doing a great job themselves!

So to avoid an accelerated race to the bottom which more than one political party seem to want, then the latest compromise could be a reasonable one.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Why just those at the lower end?

Given the mess the UK is in, those at the top aren't exactly performing that well...

And it's strange that many of those who want a longer period of time for workers to bed in tend to shout the loudest about wanting to judge/sack politicians at the drop of a hat...

Agreed that 'from day one' is not a good idea, but given that those at the bottom tend to get abused the most work wise then maybe a staggered approach as to the length of time required to attain protections?

After all if a manager can't work out if a person can stack shelves within a few months then they're not doing a great job themselves!

So to avoid an accelerated race to the bottom which more than one political party seem to want, then the latest compromise could be a reasonable compromise.

There's a big avoidance of poor management being a big issue