You keep going on about this, but what law have they broken. They appear to be paying what they are obligated to pay.
Do you volunteer more tax than you are required to pay? If not, why not?
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You keep going on about this, but what law have they broken. They appear to be paying what they are obligated to pay.
Do you volunteer more tax than you are required to pay? If not, why not?
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I pay a large enough percentage of my earnings already. I don't mind paying my fair share.
Do you think it would be fair if all earners in the UK, used their entitlements and set up law abiding tax dodging companies outside of the UK, eh Woods? Why should tax dodging just be for the benefit of the wealthy? Let's even things up and allow every individual the same tax dodging facilities as the wealthy.
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In the same breath Woody will defend large corporations and Billionaires tax affairs as complying with the law he will scream blue murder the laws are too soft and need changing on criminals and immigration issues.
Cognitive dissonance 101.
His opinion has been wonderfully cultivated and he can be relied upon to vote a certain way - manufactured consent.
Lol. You have no idea.
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The issue is that it's not tax dodging, but tax avoidance. By all accounts the companies are operating within the law, so it's not the companies that people should be moaning about but the regulatory system they are working in - which is the same one everyone is working in.
Everyone has the same opportunities to put their money abroad. Obviously some don't have large amounts to make it worth while or to enjoy the best accountants and advisors. Just like not everyone can't afford the best lawyers, the best healthcare, the best food, the best pair of shoes.
There will always be the haves and the have less, and the have nots. That is the system we are in. As they say, don't hate the player.
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I think that is exactly John's, Noseall's and kankerot's arguments.
If minions and plebs started operating within the law and shifting their profits abroad, en masse, then the governent would not be able to turn a blind eye. As it stands, the rich and wealthy are benefitting - so they do. Tory ****s.
I'm certain that Labour and other party MPs along with affiliated companies and organisations have minimised their tax bills by having off-shore accounting or something similar.
I'm not certain as to whether shareholders (of whatever political affection) have handed back their dividends or not though.
I'm not certain as to whether shareholders (of whatever political affection) have handed back their dividends or not though.
Is that because the beneficiaries are in a country that is not the UK?
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Sorry Woody, but you've missed the point completely. This has nothing to do with tax dodging or legal avoidance, it's just a political rant against the Tories, because heaven forbid, a Labour supporter would ever be a bilionaire that hides theri money offshore would they.
It's a chip on the shoulder argument, and you will never get them to see where they are coming from. No one gets to the top without making uses of the system, and Mandelson and Blair are great examples of that, but it's only the Tory bilionaires that are castigated. As you rightly say, it's every persons right to avoid paying more tax than they have to, but those that have made their fortune worked hard for it, and those on here that rant against them weren't good enough to do the same, so the jealous resentment kicks in.
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The laws and politicians who vote on the laws are influenced by big business and rich donors. They get the laws and system that benefits them.
This has nothing to do with party affiliation. Now you are the one with a victim mentality and chip on the shoulder.
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You are unable to refute my argument. The point is that we live in a system that benefits those that can control power not through the ballot box but via donations and other forms. So blaming the players and not the game as you say misses one crucial point - these big players set the table everytime in their favour.
This comes nicely onto the points of globalisation and its discontents - you voted for Brexit as you see the effects of neo liberalist policies but in the same breath you defend the people influencing and creating these policies - classic cognitive dissonance.
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But I've always said that myself Kankerot, and I agree that a lot of the laws are pushed forward by groups with an egenda, but I also maintain that the laws are then interepreted by those who make a ham fisted job of it, and that to me is a bigger sin. If most of the politicians are too stupid to see that the ideas they are given by big business's are to their benefits rather than the best for the country, then we've got the politicians we deserved because we were stupid to vote for them, but the inneptiude shown by the HMRC in interpreting those laws in a lax manner, for whatever reason, is the bigger crime.
So just where am I supposed to have a victim mentality, or a chip on my shoulder for that matter.
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The HMRC has had huge cuts and predictably its service has declined. This is in a report from the NAO. The HMRC now work on targets set to increase tax take. So they target certain types of workers and sectors each year- a few years back it was doctors.
https://bhp.co.uk/latest-from-bhp/news/20120416hmrc-targets-doctors-and-dentists/
The reason they do this is simple. They don't have the resources so if an error is made and many are then you are in for a long fight.
Also now they are after Ryan Air Pilots who through no fault of their own are being chased by the HMRC because of the way Ryan Air operates - this is an eye opening read.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/oct/03/ryanair-pilots-hmrc-investigation-airlines-uk
The simple reason that its easier to target people than large MNC's as you can frighten people into paying up. MNC have the money to take on and beat the tax man.
As to victim mentality - you took the criticism of the system as a criticism of the Tory party - a political rant.
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Um, no, whilst I pointed out it was a typical knee jerk rant that always comes up, there was no victim mentality there, as it wasn't directed at me, or my political beleifs. I got fed up because these posts are diatribes rather than discussions. I don't agree wth a lot of your views, but you do at least make sensible comments and posts at times. Ryanair is a good example of someone who plays the system way in a manner that is closer to tax evasion rather than avoidance, and yes, the tax man finds it easier to chase targets than do their job properly.
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