boiler istalation

[PEDANTICVINDICTIVEMAN]

If it falls off the wall, rips the gas pipe and causes injury I wonder who will be responcible, mmmmmmmmmmmm, let me think for a minute, oh yes, the priickk of gas fitter who gassed it for mr diy and took responcability for the whole installation.

Just in case it got missed here it is again, Can I make it clear that I couldn't care less about people doing their own work in their own home, this country has far too many mamby pamby laws allready, I do object to cowboys doing work in other peoples houses and doing it cheap because they are working illegally and dont have the expense us legit guys have to pay, so let me make it clear to all diyers, if you kill or maim you and your family I couldn't give a toss, but if you injure me or mine in the process lets hope you die in the explosion because I will break your friggin neck. THINK I MIGHT KEEP POSTING THIS ON A REGULAR BASIS SO AS TO CUT DOWN ON THE TIME WASTED ON THESE TYPE OF POSTI

 

[muckylugs]

As Kev posted ealier, its the gov that are saying because it is a gas appliance you cannot touch even the water side of the boiler and the water explosion was sarcasm

PEDANTICVINDICTIVEMAN if these type of posts wind you up so much why spend so much time replying to them people are asking advice nothing else!

 

[Autonomous]

The simplest and shortest answer to your original question is that English law permits anyone who is 'competent' to install and commission their own gas boiler provided they seek the agreement and inspection-based approval of their local Building Control office.

But you don't have to search very far on this forum (try 'myself' or 'diy') to realise that you're opening a huge can of worms here...

All professions have regulatory bodies which try to ensure competence standards. For gas installers, it's CORGI, and if if a CORGI fitter's installation goes wrong and hurts someone, he'll be able to point out to the judge that he's got appropriate academic qualifications, he's had his quality of work scrutinized and approved by his peers, and that he keeps himself up to date with new developments.

'Competence' for a DIYer is a retrospective thing. You're going to have to perform a Perfect installation. Because if anything's not Perfect you'll be automatically judged 'not competent' and therefore guilty of an offence. And God help you if anyone gets seriously hurt because it could be Manslaughter time...

Getting CORGI registration as a DIYer is really a non-starter because of the required qualifications and the need to have a local gas installation firm take you on for a while so you can have your installations inspected - when there's nothing in it for them. And the Money...

The half-half approach of hanging your own rads, pipework, boiler and getting a CORGI to commission it all is usually a non-starter too. Not many installers will want to certify someone else's work, or lose the profit in installing the whole system themselves. You might be lucky in finding a local guy who thinks that the wet side is mind-numbingly boring and will just do the boiler, but you're going to have to find this guy and discuss things with him (and quite rightly pay him his hourly rate while doing so) before you start any work.

If you're still keen, may I suggest that you get each of the following and read them all 20 times over before even thinking of ordering that heating pack from the wholesaler? :-

Building Regulations Part J
Building Regulations Part L
Building Regulations Part P
Your Local Building Control Office Literature
Installation and Commissioning Manual for your proposed boiler
A book or three about designing and installing Central Heating Systems
A book or three about installing and testing Gas Appliances/ Gas Safety

To do it all yourself Perfectly is going to take a lot of money and an enormous amount of time. Enough in fact to make quotes of 4K to 8K sound very reasonable in my opinion (speaking as someone who's done two previous self installs)

Happy reading.

 

[PEDANTICVINDICTIVEMAN]

If people stopped moaning about the cost and moaning about not being able to get someone to sign off there poxy little job and looked at why, I might be a little happier, joe public doesn't seem to know anything about Part A to Z or corgi noification, or that just because someone is registered that they may not be qaulified to work on there cooker, but no, twaatt here has to do all the explaining free of blooddy charge, and then gets moaned at for "creating" xtra work and accused of ripping off and the price of jobs, friggin adverts for
car tax evasion and TV licence but NOTHING regarding gas work or Part A to Z, adverts for claim this claim that off someone elses back and you wonder why I get wound up when some tight mean fisted asshhole wants to know why nobody wants to commision his boiler

 

[ollski]

As Kev posted ealier, its the gov that are saying because it is a gas appliance you cannot touch even the water side of the boiler and the water explosion was sarcasm

PEDANTICVINDICTIVEMAN if these type of posts wind you up so much why spend so much time replying to them people are asking advice nothing else!

Ever seen a steam explosion?, I's rather take my chances in a gas explosion than a steam one if the choice was forced on me!

 

[muckylugs]

no never seen a steam explosion in real life but maybe you could tell how connecting 15mm and 22mm water compresion nuts to the back of a boiler can create that? in my opinion and please tell me if i am wrong it is the internal water chamber that explodes and not the pipes connected to the back of the boiler

 

[ph]

Muckylugs you should of called yourself MUPPET i wouldnt come in after you and comission the boiler just because your so tight and cant get a proper fitter to do the lot> I wouldnt put my name down on a job that some other ARTHER JOB HAS STARTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[JayS]

This is funny...

 

[muckylugs]

ph your so straight you always employ other people to do jobs around your home and never do diy jobs YEAH RIGHT!

Listen i totally agree with all you corgi plumbers that messing about with gas is dangerous and no one should do it unless fully qualified but come on drilling holes in walls and connecting the water supply is not rocket science if you have your head screwed on.

As in all walks of life there are people out there who hold licences who should not and that includes corgi plumbers no i would never touch the gas side of a boiler but i know that i am more than capable of hanging and fixing the water side of the boiler but will not as it is against the law.

Why don't all you corgi plumbers get on to your unions and govening body and petition that any thing to do with gas central heating be banned by law and can not be sold unless a corgi card is shown and by that i mean any one fitting an extra rad or thermo valves or any tap that is connected on the water side of the boiler whether it be hot or cold then there would be a nice littel call out charge and hourly rate for changing tap washers!

If you are all so worried about diyers then why do you post infomation on this site and post in the painting section where is less dangerous!

 

[kevplumb]

i fitted my own boiler and system

under supervision

 

[ChrisR]

A builder came to me because his property-developer client wants to get his son doing some practical stuff. Builder and p-d couldn't find a plumber between them who would just put the boiler in. I really don't see why, given some common sense.

I went to the site, spent an hour with the son, him taking notes, and I came away with the architect's plans. I designed it (rad sizes, pipe runs, installation methods) and wrote it down. P-d happily paid me £250.

I'll be running the gas pipes, pressure testing everything and installing the boiler (Vaillant Aquaplus combi, already on site). That'll be another £750, if no extra/unenvisaged work has to be done. I'll have the son as labourer.

Quotes they got were about £5k for the heatiing system, so they're quids in, and I don't feel my professional integrity has been compromised, or any such nonsense.

 

[brumylad]

good on yer Chris, a voice of reason.

I've done plenty of specifying and labouring on new heating fits, I have the ball ache of negotiating the job, doing an estimate etc, I measure up, calculate (software based) get the stuff on site, hang the rads, pipe up fix and wire a stat. and one of my corgi mates fits the boiler, the flue, the gas pipe, the e.p. bonding, the spur, puts in the chemical and the signs the bench mark.

I am concsientious and I'm a CSCS acredited plumber but that's no great shakes.

What's the problem ?

 

[johnad]

i have a mate of a mate who will look at the job, tell me whats required,
let me put the bioler on the wall, hang the rads etc,
then is willing to connect the gas and commission the thing,
i think if you have a helpful pluber and he is happy that you can do the job then there is no reason you cant diy.

 

[ChrisR]

If you're not a beginner on pipework I see no problem with that either. I don't remember any part of ACS which instructed on "How to fix a boiler on a wall" or "How to drill a hole for a flue".
Flue needs 25mm to anything combustible, and, um, er oh dear I've given the secret away?

 

[croydoncorgi]

Just in case anyone was in any doubt at all:

CORGI is NOT a body that 'represents plumbers / heating engineers'. Its a GOVERNMENT QUANGO that registers gas installers and 'operatives'. Part of the reason why you will get little cooperation from CORGI registered folk on DIY installations is because we stand to get much more grief from CORGI than a member of the general public could possibly imagine! CORGI (generally speaking) does NOT come after the general public. HSE does.


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