BT and fiber

[Harry Bloomfield]

wrong, I am on FTTP and my "landline" phone is plugged into the back of the router so you dont always need a Voip service

You do have to have a Voip service, to have a phone number, there is no way to avoid it, but your ISP, like mine, might provide you with the Voip service as part of your package..

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

With FTTP you have active equipment at your premesis and at the telephone exchange but everything in between is passive.

That is correct! The distance between exchange and premises, without any source of power needed along the route between the two, can be over 20km. The exchanges have, or had, massive batteries which could keep modern low-power equipment going for weeks.

So all you need, is a battery backed router, and phone, at your end.

 

[SUNRAY]

That is correct! The distance between exchange and premises, without any source of power needed along the route between the two, can be over 20km. The exchanges have, or had, massive batteries which could keep modern low-power equipment going for weeks.

I doubt there are many of those left, even back in 94 when I came out they were being removed. The replacements were piddlin little things with a short life expectancy even then

So all you need, is a battery backed router, and phone, at your end.

 

[SUNRAY]

Openreach FTTP goes from the exchange to an aggregation node to a splitter node, to a fiber DP, it doesn't use the cabinets.


As I keep trying to tell people there is a huge difference between openreach FTTC and openreach FTTP.

With FTTC you are reliant on an active cabinet to translate the fiber from the exchange to the copper to end users. From what I understand those cabinets have limited backup power, they should last a few hours in an outage but beyond that you are likely out of luck. Afaict they were originally intended for low-importance broadband data services only, but our asleep at the wheel regulators have allowed the industry to migrate their voice customers to services that rely on them.

With FTTP you have active equipment at your premesis and at the telephone exchange but everything in between is passive.

Much appreciate the info, however the only 2 cabinets I've seen open, that'll be the one I'm connected to and another ½mile down the road both have a big gaping hole at the bottom where the batteries allegedlly live. Having spoken with an ex colleague about the state of the business several times he seems to think it's quite normal.

 

[ebee]

Well everything is dumbed down nowadays.
Just try to ring DWP, GPs, NHS, HMRC and Gov org or and large firm and you get put on hold for yonks and yonks, the only way around it is for you to owe them money, they answer pretty quickly.
I am really that old enough to remember being able to ring (or call in at a local showroom) and get an answer pretty quickly or to then get thru fairly quickly to someone who could answer.
Some think I am dreaming.
Once I am Elected King or Prime Minister I will abolish all that Malarkey and make it illegal, millions of pounds in fines and summary execution - they spoil our life.

 

[FrodoOne]

You have been given much information concerning
where the installation company wants to install their equipment
and
where YOU are "required" to locate the equipment that you wish to connect to it.


Such a "location" may not suit you.

If you wish to have any equipment in another location
(say, in an Office rather than in a Living Room)
it will be necessary for YOU to arrange for that beforehand.

The following is a document provided by NBN Australia for "Developers and Builders" as to how to install conduits,
in order to allow the fiber to be extended to a location other than "on the other side" of an exterior wall.

https://www.nbnco.com.au/content/dam/nbn/documents/developers/guides/builders-cabler-key-information.pdf.coredownload.pdf

(It is possible. that UK Companies will have similar "options".)

Wherever the "Wall Mounted Unit" (Optical Network Termination Point) is installed
the "HUB" DOES NOT need to be close to it
IF YOU organize to provide an appropriate longer Wide Area Network (WAN) cable from the "Wall Mounted Unit" to the "Hub".
(A WAN Cable is similar to a LAN [Local Area Network] Cable.)

As one paragraph of the above NBN document states :-
"It’s important to remember that if customers want to utilise applications like IPTV via Smart TVs in their living room and telework via HD video conferencing in their office they should consider fixed cabling in the home to connect these devices."


(In Australia, the National Broadband Network (NBN) provides the "Broadband" connection (Optical Network Termination Point)
and
one of the many Telephone Companies provides the "Hub" (Modem).

Here is a video explaining how to set-up a "Telstra" Smart Modem.

(Telstra is a Second Cousin, twice removed, to BT.)

 

[ebee]

It used to be required to help clarify things, nowadays it is the desire "How can we beggar things up?" and they are often successful in that great endeavour.

 

[morqthana]

"Your call matters to us. Please remain on the line until it no longer matters to you."

 

[morqthana]

run the device on a battery and have that on a permanent maintenance charge.

Is that an ideal way to treat a battery? Lithium and lead acid alike?

 

[SUNRAY]

to run the device on a battery and have that on a permanent maintenance charge.

Is that an ideal way to treat a battery? Lithium and lead acid alike?

The alternative?

 

[morqthana]

More expensive intelligent chargers which kick in at, say 20% and shut off at 80% (or whatever percentages are suitable).

Or manual intervention which people will forget to do.

 

[SUNRAY]

More expensive intelligent chargers which kick in at, say 20% and shut off at 80% (or whatever percentages are suitable).

Or manual intervention which people will forget to do.

Oh do you mean "MAINTENANCE CHARGING"

 

[morqthana]

I mean putting it on charge when the level drops below <whatever> and taking it off when it rises above <whatever>.

If you have a lithium battery and you leave it on charge all the time you'll knacker it.

 

[SUNRAY]

I mean putting it on charge when the level drops below <whatever> and taking it off when it rises above <whatever>.

If you have a lithium battery and you leave it on charge all the time you'll knacker it.

Oh do you mean "MAINTENANCE CHARGING"

 

[morqthana]

You keep asking that.

Show me a maintenance charger which turns on when the battery drops to 20% of its capacity and off when it gets to 80%.