Burglar Alarm Installations & Part P

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Just a question, we are about to have a decent alarm installed in our house, and the topic of Part P cropped up!!!

My wife works for the alarm company and states that the installation engineers do not require Part P. Is this correct? I would have thought that since they where in effect adding to an existing circuit that they would be required to have compliance to these bloody regs? Any thoughts?
 
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As long as they are not installing it in a special location (bs7671) and they are connecting the power supply to an existing circuit (kitchen/special location exemptions apply) the work will not be notifiable.
 
though, if you want to be predantic and get one over your wife, part P does still apply, and it requires that the work be done in a safe manner, the exact wording is

1) Reasonable provision shall be made in the design, installation, inspection and testing of electrical installations in order to protect persons from fire or injury.

2) Sufficient information shall be provided so that persons wishing to operate, maintain or alter an electrical installation can do so with reasonable safety.

All work comes under part P, but only certain work needs to be notified to building control, and this is what spark123 has given a summary of
 
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Isn't it relevant that (apart from the fused supply to the transformer) everything runs at SELV?
 
JohnD said:
Isn't it relevant that (apart from the fused supply to the transformer) everything runs at SELV?

Next thing we know we can even put telephone extentions in, lol.
 
Burglar alarms and telephone line DO come under Part P.
Read it.
If run in a special location or special installation it IS notifiable.
Also if a burglar alarm is fed from its own seperate circuit that you create that IS notifiable too
 
ebee said:
Burglar alarms and telephone line DO come under Part P.
Read it.
If run in a special location or special installation it IS notifiable.
Also if a burglar alarm is fed from its own seperate circuit that you create that IS notifiable too

Indeed they do, but like Spark123 said, as long as its on an exsisting circuit, its not notifiable. We fit loads and dont have a problem with part P.
 
ebee said:
If run in a special location or special installation it IS notifiable.

Don't quite follow; a special installation covers "electric floor or ceiling heating system, a garden lighting or electric power installation, an electricity generator, or an extra-low voltage lighting system which is not a pre-assembled lighting set bearing the CE marking referred to in regulation 9 of the Electrical Equipment (Safety) Regulations 1994".

Telephone systems and burglar alarms imo do not fall into the scope of a special installation (providing they aren't being supplied from the garden power circuit etc!!)
 
Except as identified in the chart below, notification of proposals to carry out electrical installation work must be given to a building control body before work begins, unless the work is undertaken by a person or firm registered with a Part P self certification scheme.
Whether or not work is notifiable is dependant on the nature of installation work proposed and its location within a dwelling. The location is important because some 'special installations or locations', such as kitchens and bathrooms, may pose a greater risk to people.

Examples of work Notifiable?
Areas not in a kitchen*, garden or special location† Within a kitchen*, garden or special location†
A complete new installation or rewire


Consumer unit change


Installing or upgrading main or supplementary equipotential bonding


Installing a new final circuit (e.g. for lighting, socket-outlets, a shower or a cooker)


Fitting and connecting an electric shower to an existing wiring point N/A

Adding a socket-outlet to an existing final circuit


Adding a lighting point to an existing final circuit


Adding a fused connection unit to an existing final circuit


Connecting a cooker to an existing connection unit


Replacing a damaged cable for a single circuit, on a like-for-like basis


Replacing a damaged accessory, such as a socket-outlet


Replacing a lighting fitting


Providing mechanical protection to an existing fixed installation‡


Installing and fitting a storage heater, including final circuit


Fitting and final connection of storage heater to an existing adjacent wiring point


Installing extra-low†† voltage lighting (other than pre-assembled CE marked sets)


Installing a new supply to a garden shed or other outbuilding N/A

Installing a socket-outlet or lighting point in a garden shed or other detached outbuilding N/A

Installing a garden pond pump, including supply N/A

Installing an electric hot air sauna N/A

Installing a solar photovoltaic power supply


Installing electric ceiling or floor heating


Installing an electricity generator


Installing an additional socket-outlet in a motor caravan N/A N/A
Installing telephone or extra-low†† voltage wiring and equipment for communications, information technology, signalling, control or similar purposes


Connecting an item of equipment to an existing adjacent connection point


Replacing an immersion heater


Installing a socket-outlet or lighting point outdoors



Note: For situations not covered in the chart, reference should be made to Approved Document P to find out whether or not the work concerned is notifiable. In cases of doubt, the building control body should be consulted.
* A kitchen is defined in The Building (Amendment) (No.3) Regulations 2004 as 'a room or p

So in a kitchen or bathroom extra low, signaling, communication etc (intruder arms) is notifiable
 
What's that a list of? It obviously isn't a list of notifiable works



"Replacing a damaged accessory, such as a socket-outlet

Replacing a lighting fitting"


And it isn't a list of non-notifiable works either

"A complete new installation or rewire

Consumer unit change

Installing or upgrading main or supplementary equipotential bonding

Installing a new final circuit (e.g. for lighting, socket-outlets, a shower or a cooker)"
 
ebee said:
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If run in a special location or special installation it IS notifiable.

No. Only in a special location. You can't run anything in a special installation - either it's a special installation in itself or it's not.

Incidently, special locations do not include kitchens.
 
Stoday said:
ebee said:
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If run in a special location or special installation it IS notifiable.

No. Only in a special location. You can't run anything in a special installation - either it's a special installation in itself or it's not.

Incidently, special locations do not include kitchens.
Just what I was thinking :cool:
 
Sorry about that list, I copied and pasted and the ticks and crosses didn`t come out so it`s misleading.
7671 names special locations, Builiding regs (part P ) names a kitchen as a special installation, in both of these (therefore kitchens and bathrooms) running ELV, signalling, communications (therefore) burglar/fire alarms etc is notifiable. if run in a kitchen or bathroom.
 

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