Ceiling Rose - Is this Ok?

[MarkFish]

This is the Ceiling Rose in my bathroom which got smashed by an enthusastic towel flourish from my offspring. It looks really fiddly and there are more wires than I'm expecting. I'd guess that the extra wires are for an extractor fan that's fitted. Is that plausible?

Is what's there legal? Is there a special design of Ceiling rose to handle the extra wires?

How long should fitting a new Rose take an Electrician and will they be able to use the existing wiring?

TIA?

 

[CountryFan]

Afaik ceiling roses are no longer permitted in bathrooms as they offer no ingress protection (IP). As for the amount of wires, yes likely an extractor fan plus the continuation of the loop to the next light.

 

[mikehammer69]

That is a rats nest of wires there

 

[mikehammer69]

Sorry there I was giving instructions but think maybe that's not allowed in UK to DIY it , so edited

 

[EFLImpudence]

Afaik ceiling roses are no longer permitted in bathrooms

I don't think that is the case. It would depend on the exact location.

as they offer no ingress protection (IP).

Gravity?

 

[CountryFan]

Gravity?

No,I thought it was to do with condensation from a hot shower/running a bath?

 

[EFLImpudence]

No,I thought it was to do with condensation from a hot shower/running a bath?

None of these accessories is ever given an IP rating nor is said to be suitable for the location by the manufacturer so I am not sure how any are technically acceptable but ceiling roses have been in bathrooms since the beginning.

The pendants might be more suspect.

By gravity, I meant that if any water managed to get in, it would just run out again.

 

[plugwash]

Afaik ceiling roses are no longer permitted in bathrooms as they offer no ingress protection (IP). As for the amount of wires, yes likely an extractor fan plus the continuation of the loop to the next light.

Stuff in bathroom zones 1 and 2 needs to be at least IPx4 rated. The bathroom ceiling is usually outside the zones (the zones end 2.25m from the floor) but I'd expect in most cases a pendant would hang down into them. Afaict battern holders with the traditional choice for bathrooms.

Even outside the zones, there is still the catch-all rule that equipment must be suitable for it's environment. Some may interpret that more broadly than others.

 

[sparkwright]

In answer to your question, an average electrician should be able to change that rose for a batten holder, using the wiring as it is, in less than half an hour (I'm allowing extra time to get a good fixing, as so often these things are screwed into fresh air).
He may insist you must have an enclosed fitting, typically a round plastic LED light, most of which have plenty of room to join all those wires inside.

 

[morqthana]

the traditional choice for bathrooms.

I suppose that counts as a batten holder under the globe?

(I'm allowing extra time to get a good fixing, as so often these things are screwed into fresh air).

Fischer Duotec are your friends...

 

[plugwash]

I suppose that counts as a batten holder under the globe?

The ones I've seen like that had their own base, rather than a conventional battern holder.

 

[Taylortwocities]

But a bayonet lamp holder in a bathroom is essential! My gran always did our ironing in the bathroom, she lived to 95 too.


plus one of these

 

[mikehammer69]

Anyway globe or ceiling rose is not the way to go

As said above a surface led fitting with plenty
of space inside to tidy wiring

 

[Taylortwocities]

If there is access to the loft space,
as you have lorra wires,
largish junction box up there with just LN&E to the light is the best way.

 

[mikehammer69]

If there is access to the loft space,
as you have lorra wires,
largish junction box up there with just LN&E to the light is the best way.

Longtime spark and i wouldn’t generally go that way although nothing wrong with it

Creating hard to access joins

Simpler testing or troubleshooting when all terminating is done at “points “