Charlie Kirk

Top and bottom of it is that he was murdered in cold blood regardless of the type of weapon used. Blame the person not the weapon.
I agree the actual weapon isn't to blame. However it stands to reason if town A has 10,000 residents with 1,000 owning guns, and town B has 10,000 residents with 50 people owning guns, town A is going to experience more gun related issues.
 
for the sake of a handfull of lunatics who can gain access to a gun should not prevent the countless responsible gun owners from obtaining them.

Rep. senator for Colorado yesterday called for "thoughts and prayers for CK" in the House or somesuch.


Shouted down, as she hadn't thought to do the same for the school shooting victims in her own state on that very same day.


"Handful": pffft
 
This tragedy underlines the need for these right wingers to dial down the inflammatory rhetoric.

Race baiting can have serious consequences for innocent people.
Ironically, Charlie Kirk was a right-winger who's raison d'être was to actively encouraged debate. I think its reasonable ot assume that the person that shot him has done so to stop him airing his views.

It's time that we started to accept that people have different opinions and not try to stop them from voicing them.
 
What sort of guns should the public have access to.
Shotguns are used by farmers.
Would you lift the ban on assault rifles .
All depends upon its use, if an owner (most are) members of a responsible shooting club then you should be able to hold any weapon you like, I do always find it strange why anyone would want an assault rifle though.
 
What sort of guns should the public have access to.
Shotguns are used by farmers.
Clay pidgeon shooting is very popular for a shotgun along with game bird shooting. Although I could never point a gun at an animal or bird myself the game bird industry is huge.
 
I guarantee the MAGAs and Reform supporters will be blaming the rise in hatred on the left.

Aveatry
Lirefighter
Mottie
Filly
Spineless

Etc
it's both sides that are increasing the hatred, but its reasonable to attribute this murder to a leftist and i presume the attempted murder of trump was a leftist.

The general consensus is that it's the extreme right wing that perpetrate violence and that the left are vocal but not physical. It would appear that is no longer a reasonable assumption.
 
I am 100% confident that, if firearm ownership was more widespread in the UK, near the point of being commonplace, we'd have a LOT more shootings. Think of extreme road rage incidents, neighbour disputes etc.
and i 100% agree. Look at knife crime. When people carry knives, knives get used. If they're weren't carried by so many people, i guarantee there would be less knife crime.
 
The difference in the UK and America regards gun laws and carrying them are totally different. In the UK we don't carry them so freely.
 
Rep. senator for Colorado yesterday called for "thoughts and prayers for CK" in the House or somesuch.


Shouted down, as she hadn't thought to do the same for the school shooting victims in her own state on that very same day.


"Handful": pffft
This might be quite a contentious thing to say, however part of me does wonder, had it been someone doing the same thing as CK (holding debating sessions on uni grounds etc) but who held let's say non conservative views, would the display of sadness and mourning been as significant?

Please note, in posting the above, I am making no reference to the tragic situation with CK.
 
The difference in the UK and America regards gun laws and carrying them are totally different. In the UK we don't carry them so freely.
I agree. Ownership and the daily carrying of guns are different. I have a shot gun licence and shoot regularly, but the gun is only out of its cabinet going to, during and from a shoot. I certainly don't carry it around routinely. In addition, having been the victim of an attempted break whilst we were at home earlier this year, i've though long and hard about whether i would have got the gun out if the opportunity had been there. The conclusion that i came to was that, even if the thieves had been successful in getting into the house, the gun stays locked up. I don't ever want to have to be in a situation where i have to point a gun at someone and pull the trigger.

Whereas in America, some people won't leave their houses without being armed. You can't really argue that guns are going to be used more if more people carry them.
 
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I agree. Ownership and the daily carrying of guns are different.
I had a go while on holiday in America. I had never even seen a real gun before but the shop owner happily gave me an automatic pistol and an AK47, with two boxes of bullets for a range shoot.

Absolute madness.
 
it's both sides that are increasing the hatred, but its reasonable to attribute this murder to a leftist and i presume the attempted murder of trump was a leftist.

The general consensus is that it's the extreme right wing that perpetrate violence and that the left are vocal but not physical. It would appear that is no longer a reasonable assumption.
Most mass shooting are carried out by people on the right.

 
Ironically, Charlie Kirk was a right-winger who's raison d'être was to actively encouraged debate. I think its reasonable ot assume that the person that shot him has done so to stop him airing his views.

It's time that we started to accept that people have different opinions and not try to stop them from voicing them.
He was a professional provocateur.
He made a career out of it.
Everyone is entitled to express their opinions freely but he used highly inflammatory language in order in order to attract attention.
The nail that sticks up the most, gets hit the hardest.
 
Easy to get, I have a shotgun licence and firearms cert, anyone without a criminal background can get one. Perhaps you was refused one as they didn't deem you stable?
Your posts are often rambling, inciting hatred and are highly manipulative.. so the question is should such a person have a shotgun license and firearm certificate.... That's not for me to judge, but it is the job of the home office and as its a citizens duty to report all concerns I will forward your ID to them so you have the opportunity to prove your case.

Sections 27 and 28 of the Firearms Act 1968 (as amended) specify that in order to issue a firearm or shotgun certificate the chief officer of police must be satisfied that an applicant can be permitted to possess a gun ‘without danger to the public safety or the peace’.

Medical fitness is one of the factors police must consider when assessing a person’s suitability.

Relevant medical conditions which must be disclosed are:

  • Acute Stress Reaction or an acute reaction to the stress caused by a trauma, including post-traumatic stress disorder
  • suicidal thoughts or self harm or harm to others
  • depression or anxiety
  • dementia
  • mania, bipolar disorder or a psychotic illness
  • a personality disorder
  • a neurological condition: for example, Multiple Sclerosis, Parkinson’s or Huntington’s diseases, or epilepsy
  • alcohol or drug abuse
  • any other mental or physical condition or combination of conditions, which you think may be relevant
 
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