Conspiracy theories

[IT Minion]

Not saying it is not remarkable, but my only point was -

FFS it is not a 99% reduction.

And your point was wrong.

 

[IT Minion]

Are they healthy, have any pregnant women had the vaccine and gone full term ?

At least the Pfizer one has not been given to pregnant women and you're not allowed it if you are pregnant and/or planning a pregnancy in the next 3 months.

It's almost as if they've thought about this stuff already isn't it?

 

[Trazor]

It's almost as if they've thought about this stuff already isn't it?

But they never came on here to get it Peer reviewed..........

 

[EFLImpudence]

And your point was wrong.

Then please explain how.

 

[IT Minion]

Then please explain how.

The two numbers aren't that tightly linked. You've missed an intermediate number which is that most people who get Covid-19 don't go to hospital.

The results from the trials show all the vaccines are good at preventing serious illness. That means that it's effectively chopping off the worst cases, but leaving a few milder ones. (What it's really doing is making all the infections less dangerous so what would have been a dangerous infection is instead asymptomatic or very mild, or so mild it wouldn't even be picked up by testing).

Already done.

 

[EFLImpudence]

He said the first wave of vaccination will result in a 99% reduction in hospitalisations and deaths.

Please explain how only vaccinating a small proportion of the population can cause a 99% reduction.

The two numbers aren't that tightly linked. You've missed an intermediate number which is that most people who get Covid-19 don't go to hospital.

So, it won't affect them and they will not alter the numbers, then.

The results from the trials show all the vaccines are good at preventing serious illness. That means that it's effectively chopping off the worst cases, but leaving a few miler ones. (What it's really doing is making all the infections less dangerous so what would have been a dangerous infection is instead asymptomatic or very mild, or so mild it wouldn't even be picked up by testing).

So, you are saying the effectiveness of the vaccines is even higher than the figures stated by the manufacturers.

 

[IT Minion]

He said the first wave of vaccination will result in a 99% reduction in hospitalisations and deaths.

Please explain how only vaccinating a small proportion of the population can cause a 99% reduction.

Because the first wave is everyone over 50 and with underlying conditions. Thats not actually a small proportion, it's in the region of a quarter.

So, it won't affect them and they will not alter the numbers, then.

No. It explains why 95% effectiveness doesn't preclude 99% reduction of deaths.

So, you are saying the effectiveness of the vaccines is even higher than the figures stated by the manufacturers.

No, I'm saying you don't understand what 95% protection means.

 

[EFLImpudence]

Because the first wave is everyone over 50 and with underlying conditions. Thats not actually a small proportion, it's in the region of a quarter.

Ah. Are you saying - and are you correct? - that the first wave includes all nine groups in the order set out.

I was taking the first wave to be the first group and/or the first batch of vaccine.

 

[IT Minion]

Ah. Are you saying - and are you correct? - that the first wave includes all nine groups in the order set out.

I was taking the first wave to be the first group and/or the first batch of vaccine.

Yeah, the second wave is under 50s.

You're right that 800,000 doses would only cover 400,000 people and there's something like 1.9 million over 80s and care home residents. Still, the over 80s have really poor odds with Covid-19. So it could save a lot of lives.

 

[EFLImpudence]

Ok, fair enough. Thank you.

 

[durhamplumber]

Ok, fair enough. Thank you.

Why are you so bothered? You not having the vaccine.

 

[EFLImpudence]

You obviously missed it, but I was only querying the professor's arithmetic.

Some of them are not too good with numbers.

 

[Brigadier]

1% maybe across all age ranges but over 85's are ~65 times more likely to succumb, or about a 65% fatality rate, so no wonder they are keen on a vaccine, which no doubt you believe will probably kill them, but then again you probably don't think they're worth saving anyway, so it's win win for you.

Over 85 are probably a zillion times more likely to peg it anyway, 'rona or not. Otherwise, we'd all have a reasonable expectation of living to a thousand.

 

[Trazor]

over 85's are ~65 times more likely to succumb, or about a 65% fatality rate.

Over 80's fatality rates, appear to be up to 20%..........https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid?country=~GBR#case-fatality-rate-of-covid-19-by-age

So even Italy, with a large ageing population is 20%

 

[Deleted member 18243]

There are bound to be side effects with the vaccine, even deaths. If most of the world's billions get vaccinated, that's potentially a lot of side effects and deaths.

Given that a very small percentage of those infected with Covid develop symptoms, and even fewer die, the cure could be worse than the disease!