Consumer unit has 'shower' breaker?

[SUNRAY]

I swapped all mine for keyed alike Yale euro cylinders. They keys cannot be copied with out the tag (code/bar code). So much easier having all the doors the with the same key, although not so if you have a "looser" in the family who regularly looses keys! Then it gets costly!

ABS Avocet are good.
Straight swap for eurocyls but they are snap proof. Plus they cannot be copied without the code, even if you have a key.
Just need to pop out the cyl and measure the dims from the centre to each end of the lock.

REALLY?
I have certainly had keys cut for the Avocet at my regular local security company and a selection of Yale Euro's as long as I had the lock and key.
As a landlord I supply 2 keys to the tenant and keep 3 (Agent, My big key ring, Safe) so I regularly need to have more cut
And Abloy 300 series padlock, took the lock and key to get another lock and a number of keys.

 

[securespark]

I find that most odd.

I have been to have ABS keys cut and the machine does not copy keys like a normal key cutting machine. The key cannot be cut until the key code is entered into the system.

Maybe it's possible, but that's not my experience. I would think that cutting an ABS key from a key will mean the duplicate is not as accurate, meaning lock wear or malfunction.

 

[John D v2.0]

Well, abs keys are just 5 positions where one is a magnet and the others are indentations of varying heights. On mine I can easily distinguish the heights, so with experience it wouldn't be hard to reverse engineer another key.
Maybe the code is hard to reverse engineer, but with the right cnc machine it would be possible to make a physical copy.

 

[securespark]

Just found this:

If you have lost your ABS key code card we can still help - because we build these superb locks from scratch we can decode your key from a good photo.

From lockandkey.

But apparently not everybody can offer this service.

TBH, if I were a locksmith and someone came in with a key that has a security card/ code, I would want to see it. If not, I would want to see photo ID before cutting one.

EDIT: Grovelling apologies, rsgaz....

 

[Lectrician]

When they first came out they were all singing. I guess people will always find a way.

 

[SUNRAY]

TBH, if I were a locksmith and someone came in with a key that has a security card/ code, I would want to see it. If not, I would want to see photo ID before cutting one.

Absolutely yes, I would be disgusted if they simply supplied to any old Tom, Dick or Harry on an ad hock basis. When I first needed a secure 'Yale type' barrel, some 35 years ago I registered with a local company for an ASSA which needed secure documents. Since then I must have spent £5k with them. When I go in for something like the Avocet they register the issuing of such keys and its code on my account, but if I need more later I still have to take the lock in unless I have the code.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Then it gets costly!

Especially if you worry that the lost key represents a risk which requires the cylinders to be replaced....

 

[ban-all-sheds]

They do ask for the code to make Ultion keys though....

The code which is engraved on the key you want to copy.....

 

[SUNRAY]

The code which is engraved on the key you want to copy.....

That is an option, not always done. But in theory at least you still need the authority...

 

[securespark]

The code which is engraved on the key you want to copy.....

To create a key using the key number that operates all of Ultion's 11 pins the key number is decoded using an encrypted security algorithm. Licensed Ultion Key Centres have access to this decoding algorithm. Once decoded the precise indentations can be cut using specialist machines with dedicated tooling to exactly the right depth, in exactly the right position, on both sides of your key.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

That is an option, not always done. But in theory at least you still need the authority...

I was just commenting on what the people rsgaz mentioned say. Unless I have misunderstood what that code is, it means that if you have the key you have the code and can therefore buy a copy.

At least if you rock up to a locksmith with a key and the cylinder (can't get that out without having a key, of course) it's less likely that you're up to no good - the rightful owner of the cylinder might notice it wasn't in the door any more.

Of course you can always construct scenarios of sophisticated thieves with time to exploit unoccupied properties, but there are things that people can do to significantly lower the risks of the average smackhead or opportunistic burglar walking into Timpsons (other establishments are available) and getting a key copied.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Stuff which this site thinks it helpful to make unquotable

I'm starting to wonder which of us is losing which plot.

I don't disagree with any of that.

It seems to me that because that magic code is engraved on the key, then mere physical possession of the key is sufficient to have a copy made. All your quote does is to confirm that.

 

[rsgaz]

Unless I have misunderstood what that code is, it means that if you have the key you have the code and can therefore buy a copy.

On the Yale Superior and the Avocet ABS, the code is on a separate credit card type thing that comes with the cylinder and not stamped on the keys. I didn't realise the Ultion keys had the code on the back at the time. I figured Ultion would be the same, but no.

My point is still valid though, that the Yale and Avocet are not as hard to copy as the manufacturers suggest, if all that is needed is a photo to do it from and the codes can be reverse engineered. Maybe that site should offer cutting Ultion keys from just a photo, as long as it's a photo of the back of the key!

Gaz

 

[gasmanxxxr1]

Any hoo.... getting the thread back on track.

If the picture of the boiler posted is in the ops house then i doubt he will be getting a cylinder any time soon.

 

[aptsys]

Any hoo.... getting the thread back on track.

If the picture of the boiler posted is in the ops house then i doubt he will be getting a cylinder any time soon.

Although not impossible.