Could the outcome of NI the election be the real beginnings of reunification?

[Notch7]

What a surprise: DUP won’t sit in assembly.

they should have all their salary withheld and given fines equal to the wasted cost.

The people of NI should be properly pizzed off as there is £300m govt money waiting to be authorised for public services

 

[Odds]

Were either of the 2 factions English; or colonisers from abroad? Or were they 'All-Celtic'? Get my drift?

All-Celtic is a broad range for people who migrated from Scandinavia and Europe during pre-history. Tribal rivalries took no account of racial similarities and worship of local gods could set off a conflict. English is a meaningless term in those early times. Why go back so far? Well, the Irish have a different perspective on their history to the way we tend to look back at it. For most of us, it is firmly set in the past, as something that has happened and has no relevance to the present. The Irish see it as something that happened a long time ago and still lives in local communities.
The reason why a different culture emerged in the North is due to the proximity of 'Pictish' Alba and the Hebridean islands where people would trade and form alliances to combat southern Gaels from taking more land which was crucial to a tribes survival. The difference between them can be seen in the language development of Welsh and Scots as separate from Irish Gaels. It's all a bit of a melting pot but the differences were there from very early times: two distinct centers of power in the North (at Emain Macha) and in the south (at Tara). I'm sure you're aware of Brian Boru and theIrish failure to unite under a single banner to combat the Norse raids and by the time the English arrived the pattern of conflict had already been well established for them to take advantage.

If you can tell me of a time when Ireland was united i'd be delighted to hear of it.

And no, going back to the time of Nemed or Partholan doesn't count.

 

[JohnD]

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What a surprise: DUP won’t sit in assembly.

they should have all their salary withheld and given fines equal to the wasted cost.

The people of NI should be properly pizzed off as there is £300m govt money waiting to be authorised for public services

Afaik no Sinn Fein MP has ever taken there seat in Parliament

they should all have there salary’s with held ???

 

[IT Minion]

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Afaik no Sinn Fein MP has ever taken there seat in Parliament

they should all have there salary’s with held ???

Makes sense, I wouldn't object.

But with the DUP they aren't just failing to take part in democracy, they're saying that they won't allow anyone else to take part either. Because by refusing to take their seats they're blocking any government operations. The two aren't really the same, the DUP is being far more disruptive.

 

[ajohn]

But with the DUP they aren't just failing to take part in democracy,

It sounds like they are trying to use blackmail to change the floating border aspect. ie If the Westminster wants the power sharing to work fix it.
How can you fix the EU which like all want a border. The problem can't be fixed. We want a border so why not chuck ours as well.

The agreement that exists is no border between the 2 halves of Ireland. Changing that is likely to be problematic.

If Ireland did unify guess what - I assume they would all be in the EU so the border would still exist.

Westminster can blame anyone they like for the situation but it's been blinding obvious all along and they know it.

 

[noseall]

Westminster can blame anyone they like for the situation but it's been blinding obvious all along and they know it.

Get Brexit done - my arse. Total pile of festering poo.

 

[ajohn]

Get Brexit done

The really intriguing aspect is a referendum with no idea what so ever what the terms would be. Just woffle.

 

[ellal]

The really intriguing aspect is a referendum with no idea what so ever what the terms would be. Just woffle.

Funnily enough given the total c*ck up that is brexit, it is being mooted that the negotiations take place before a unification referendum...

Thus giving the electorate a chance to weigh up the actual options...

Now why wasn't that thought of a few years ago?

Oh that's right, even that 37% of the electorate would have seen through the brexit lies!

 

[transam]

Due to the Russians

tis obvious

 

[Vinty]

The reason why a different culture emerged in the North is due to the proximity of 'Pictish' Alba

The people of the North were called "Cruthin" by their neighbours in the South.
Cruthin is the Gaelic word for Pict.
The Welsh referred to them Goidel FFichti, which means Irish Pict.
The confusion arises from the fact that these people shared a common language( Gaelic) with the rest of Ireland, therefor it is assumed that they were part of a single nation, while this is correct geographically and linguistically, it is incorrect in the ethnic sense.
The people known as Cruthin were among the oldest of the population groups inhabiting Ireland at the time.

 

[Vinty]

Makes sense, I wouldn't object.

But with the DUP they aren't just failing to take part in democracy, they're saying that they won't allow anyone else to take part either. Because by refusing to take their seats they're blocking any government operations. The two aren't really the same, the DUP is being far more disruptive.

Sinn Fein disrupted the Stormont Parliament for 3 years because they walked out and refused to nominate a first minister.
The Johnson government admits that this Protocol is damaging, yet they refuse to do anything about it.
They appear to calculate that it is easier to shaft the Unionists rather than face down the EU and their proxy the Irish Republic.
There also appears to be an underlying assumption that Unionists will get used to their new status as second class citizens in their own country and being subject to restrictions and regulations imposed on them by a foreign entity won't be a problem.

 

[Vinty]

blackmail to change the floating border aspect

Blackmail worked for the EU and the Irish Republic, the only reason the British government agreed to this so called sea border was because the Irish government said there would be violence if the British government put the border were it rightfully should be.

 

[Notch7]

this Protocol is damaging

that is untrue
it is not damaging

businesses in NI and the people are happy with it

NI can access the whole of the Single Market without friction -thats not damaging

The Johnson government admits that this Protocol is damaging

no, they claim its damaging.

They appear to calculate that it is easier to shaft the Unionists rather than face down the EU and their proxy the Irish Republic

cognitive dissonance


ROI is in the EU
NI has a massive land border with ROI
therefore the whole of the Island if Ireland has to stay in the SM for goods

that is fact

you can try all you like to twist it whatever way you like -but that is the simple fact

the EU are not going to remove the customs border between GB and NI so stop claiming its possible

 

[Notch7]

Blackmail worked for the EU and the Irish Republic, the only reason the British government agreed to this so called sea border was because the Irish government said there would be violence if the British government put the border were it rightfully should be.

that is simply untrue

a land border is simply not workable, there is no way to protect the Single Market in ROI



the EU offered the backstop where all the UK stayed in SM and CU -that would have solved all problems and avoided sea border