Covid 19 report

[Justin Passing]

There were dozens of conspiracy theories flying around when covid was on. A very few had some truth in them, so people who luv 'em are saying "look I was right".
It's the same nonsense grannies and the junk press always used.
Of course some stuff was done badly. What would anyone expect?
(There were a few like that nurse-doctor guy who started off ok but then turned, only using it as a money-earner by promoting BS on his youtube channel.)

The vaccines were new. I think they did a pretty good job considering the tech at the time. We'd be able to do it better now, but they are poking things in the bod which are hellish complicated so it's hard to predict all possible outcomes . There are still papers coming out where someone gets a new result from some niche bit of biology.

I fear that's only a foretaste of the complications of the next DNA-altering wonder drugs -etc. Some diseases will simply vanish.

 

[Dec27]

How do you think I would have coped without?

Better imho

 

[noseall]

I'm flattered

 

[noseall]

The report just published says that a huge amount of money was lost on unusable PPE.

I don't think Aveaty has seen the latest news on the subject. Too busy pointing at planes.

 

[noseall]

What was it that made it unusable for covid PPE

Why don't you ask people on a medical forum, instead of on here?

 

[IT Minion]

It was targetting the early strain, but it soon mutated and became different, making the vaccines useless

This isn't what was seen in the lab or in the data. The original vaccines were something like 80-90% effective* against the original variant and dropped to between 90 and 60% effective against Delta depending on which one you had. Id guess you got Alpha or Beta where it was more like 80-90% effective. Then there were the newer vaccine versions and boosters which diddtarget the later variants so it's quite complicated.

Your vaccination might have had absolutely no effect at all, but that was really rare.

*Effective meaning that it prevented hospitalisation. Eg. 90% effective means that if we would expect 100 unvaccinated people to be hospitalised in a group of people then in a vaccinated similar group only 10 would be hospitalised. There was also strong evidence showing that even when hospitalised the mortality rate for those hospitalised was lower.

 

[transam]

I've had 6 jabs and had COVID twice.

Ha!, I hear you shout jubilantly, Proof that the jab was useless!

No, au contraire, mon ami. Without the jab, I would have been in serious ****.

My sats dropped to below 90% at one point and I was on the verge of having to be admitted to hospital

And that's WITH the jab.
How do you think I would have coped without?

Coped ??

I dunno

 

[morqthana]

There was also strong evidence showing that even when hospitalised the mortality rate for those hospitalised was lower.

Ah, now then. The problem there is that you are talking about that thing called "evidence".

But the denialists don't look at that.

 

[aveatry]

Why don't you ask people on a medical forum, instead of on here?

You keep saying it was fake and or useless but you can not say why.

 

[morqthana]

You keep saying it was fake and or useless but you can not say why.

What's your view on all the recent reports about it in the media?

 

[aveatry]

Not true. I know there was £10 billion quids worth of tat.

Why was it tat

It wasn't fit for purpose.

What was wrong with it that made It not fit for Covid PPE purpose ki

Stop asking then.

The £10 billion quids worth they had to bin, says you haven't read any of the national news in the last couple of days.

Why did they bin it

 

[noseall]

You keep saying it was fake and or useless but you can not say why.

The news article did not go into detail, only that the government procured £10billlion quids worth of useless tat. Hence....

You’d have to ask those whose lives and the lives of their patients, who’s lives depended on it

Why don't you ask people on a medical forum, instead of on here?

Please read and digest the last two quotes.

 

[IT Minion]

I have read the summary of the report and looked through some sections.

The main issue was over purchasing. We spent more on PPE than all of Europe put together. We ordered huge amounts and they expired before they could be used. We did the classic silly mistake of ordering 10 times what we needed to try to get 1 portion faster, which doesn't work.

Some wasn't fit for purpose, hundreds of millions of pounds of stuff was found to be sub standard.

 

[fillyboy]

I have read the summary of the report and looked through some sections.

The main issue was over purchasing. We spent more on PPE than all of Europe put together. We ordered huge amounts and they expired before they could be used. We did the classic silly mistake of ordering 10 times what we needed to try to get 1 portion faster, which doesn't work.

Some wasn't fit for purpose, hundreds of millions of pounds of stuff was found to be sub standard.

Most of which came from China.

Like the virus itself.

 

[King Billy]

Most of which came from China.

Like the virus itself.

There is no definitive proof of the exact origin of COVID-19