Cutting kitchen pelmets - glossy white

[kevin_robson]

I've fitting my kitchen at present and next job will be the pelmets. Not shure how they normally are but mine are thin strips that need joining using mitre joins.

Can I get a glossy white colorseal to mask any imperfections in the mitre joins, or should I use something else. When I did my archetraves around the doors I needed to fill with wood filler slightly so am expecting to have to do the same.

Thanks

 

[Scrit]

Use Mitre Mate to bond the joints and if needs be bend them slightly to fit. Yo can't fill cornices and pelmets.

Scrit

 

[kevin_robson]

Thanks, will try to get hold of some. What is the best way to attach it to the base of the units - glue or screw into place? My instructions for the kitchen dont really say anything. If I glue, just No More Nails?

Thanks

 

[Scrit]

I use 19mm angle brackets and screws - makes it easier to get them off if you ever need to. If there are lights under there I tend to seal by adding a bead of coloured silicone or caulking to the top edge

Scrit

 

[kevin_robson]

Thanks,
I'm a bit confused about the angled brackets though - are you on about using that for attaching the peices of pelmet together or for attaching to the underside of the unit? Maybe I'm thinking of different brackets to you but I cant see how I could use them to attach it to the underside of the units?
Also, do I screw up into the units from underneath, or down through the units into the pelmet?

Thanks for your help

 

[chirpychippy]

Don't use the 90 degree brackets on the mitres, only mitre mate and read the instructions before you use it. you put the 90 degree brackets at the back of the pelmet, screw one side of the bracket to the pelmet and then when you offer the pelmet up to wall unit you will be able to mark on the underside of the unit where the bracket will need to be fixed, fix one bracket either side of the mitre where applicable and where ever else you think they should be placed for adequate support. " Beware mitre mate is stronger than super glue, mind your pinkies"

 

[kevin_robson]

Ah, I think I understand why I dont understand
The Pelmets I have are about 8cm thick, but only about 1.5 cm high. I'm assuming the ones you are referring to are the much higher ones which is why you can get a bracket behind them.

Does that make sense to you both? If so, how do I go about mounting them?

Cheers

 

[Scrit]

Ah, I think I understand why I dont understand
The Pelmets I have are about 8cm thick, but only about 1.5 cm high. I'm assuming the ones you are referring to are the much higher ones which is why you can get a bracket behind them.

1. Are you sure you have those the right way round? 80mm high x 15mm thick would be the way round I'd expect for a pelmet (they are installed tro "hang" vertically), although most pelmets I've fitted are 35 to 55mm high. 80mm sounds way too much.

2. Are these actually pelmets at all? Normally 80mm wide x 15mm thick could be a modern style overhanging cornice moulding - which goes atop the cupboards (and in that case you pilot drill and screw straight through the moulding into the tops of the cabs)

Care to post a photo or drawing as it sound just plain wrong to my way of thinking.

Scrit

 

[Trazor]

I have never seen pelmets mounted the way you suggest...??

Are you sure, I think you will find the 8 cm should be vertical, with the 1.5 cm back to front, thus you can fit brackets behind them , or use the little white panel joiners.

As scrit suggested can you post some pics..?

 

[Scrit]

I have never seen pelmets mounted the way you suggest...??

Me neither

 

[kevin_robson]

OK. I will try to get down to Wickes and get a picture, and have a better look at how they are fitted there, and try to get a photo at the same time. Its the Atlanta kitchen if anyone happens to be down there themselves.

There's no way they could be mounted the other way round though - its almost like a decor shelf/decor end.

As an example download the following:
http://www.wickes.co.uk/content/ebiz/wickes/resources/images/pdf/ShowroomKitchenBrochure.pdf

and look at the manhatten - pg 14.
Note how the wall units have a thin 'shelf' under them. I realise on is actually a shelf, but the units to the right are not, they are thin strips mitres and attached to the underside of the units.

Mine is actually the Atlanta kitchen. As another example have a look at pg 34 - the wall unit to the left of the oven.

Does this make any more sense?

Thanks

 

[chirpychippy]

if you are talking about the atlanta kitchen then the pelmets go in between the sides of the wall units and you do not need to mitre the corners as the wall unit sides are effectively the returns of the pelmet, therefore you can use the right angle brackets. if your wall units do not have sides that extend under the base of the unit and are indeed the same as the delaware units then i would fit the pelmets as depicted on their design 15mm vertically and use the mitre mate to bond the pelmets to the underside of the units. i wouldn't screw through the units from inside the units as that looks crap neither would i screw through pelmet from underneath, glue is far better. But in any case it seems to me that you don't have the Atlanta kitchen?

 

[kevin_robson]

Thanks
The wall units do not have sides that extend below the base of the units. So the pelmet (or whatever we are going to call it from now on) will go all the way along the bottom under the units.

The sides or the units have been replaced with a glossy decor side rather than the usual one, so it will be on display.

In that case I will mitre and glue them on the flat side. What glue do I want to be using - no more nails or something else?

I do have the Atlanta, but the designs are different. Some have end panels etc, mine dont.

But I think we got there in the end.
Thanks for your help - just let me know what glue to use.

 

[Scrit]

If your wall units do not have sides that extend under the base of the unit and are indeed the same as the delaware units then I would fit the pelmets as depicted on their design 15mm vertically and use the Mitre Mate to bond the pelmets to the underside of the units. I wouldn't screw through the units from inside the units as that looks rubbish neither would I screw through pelmet from underneath, glue is far better.

Are you sure that Mitre Mate will actually hold in that situation if someone accidentally gives it a sharp tap?

Scrit

 

[chirpychippy]

Scrit,

I was once forced to use Mitre Mate to join two up and over hand rails together "Robert Burbridge" on a stair case as their design didn't work, i didn't hold out much hope of it lasting a day, but much to my dismay it is still holding one year on and there are two roudy kids in my house who swing off the bannisters, great stuff, mind your fingers.