Daily Mail says "NHS faces a 'shortage of 350,000 staff and spiralling waiting times by 2030'"

SammyInnit said:
Considering realistically the alternative, it's possibly more a case of what they don't want.
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Yeah, they don't want better schools, more police, cheaper and more reliable transport, compassionate social care, shorter hospital waiting lists, better working rights, higher minimum wage, affordable housing, social housing that is not 100 miles from home ...

want more things they don't want? Just read the handbook.
 
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jonbey said:
Yeah, they don't want better schools, more police, cheaper and more reliable transport, compassionate social care, shorter hospital waiting lists, better working rights, higher minimum wage, affordable housing, social housing that is not 100 miles from home ...

want more things they don't want? Just read the handbook.
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Nice strawman argument but you're ignoring the fact the country is in debt and the Labour manifesto of spend spend spend will only carry over the problem to the next generation.

No one said they don't want better public services, no one said they want more debt either and as it stands you can't have one without the other.

That's aside from the fact that according to YouGov, Corbyn is still less favourable than May and only just over double that of Tony Blair.

Even Boris Johnson has a more favourable rating than Corbyn. It's not just the give everybody everything manifesto that is important. Labour as a party aren't doing it.

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/explore/public_figure/Jeremy_Corbyn
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/explore/public_figure/Theresa_May
 
JohnD said:
we can afford to bale out the banks.
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No we can't but it's a case of, if we don't the rest of the economy will go down with them. Have you been listening to Diane Abbott? There's no magic money tree that anyone can pick from and in turn commercial banking plays an important part of the continuation and growth of the economy.
 
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The combined Labour governments borrowed a little more than £500bn over their 33 years while the governments since 2010, Tory, and coalition with libs, have borrowed a bit more than £670bn.

Are you sure you know who is spending your money?

http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/...-created-two-thirds-of-the-uks-national-debt/

And the argument of inheriting debt is just stupid - there was a global economic crash, a credit crunch. The whole world was affected, not just Britain under labour.

It's like blaming Churchill's government for leaving unexploded bombs all over the place after the war. But that does not stop the tories still blaming labour for the poor state of the economy when they took over after the global financial crash. They're a complete joke and are taking the country for a ride.
 
The NHS will collapse the EU will blockade any medicine or medical imports

UK citezins living in France will be deported and there assets / property seized by the French state
 
JohnD said:
making them work unsocial hours without an unsocial hours payment?
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Just like most people then.
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When was that ever promised ?
 
transam said:
The NHS will collapse the EU will blockade any medicine or medical imports

UK citezins living in France will be deported and there assets / property seized by the French state
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Dont forget,sky falling in
 
jonbey said:
The combined Labour governments borrowed a little more than £500bn over their 33 years while the governments since 2010, Tory, and coalition with libs, have borrowed a bit more than £670bn.

Are you sure you know who is spending your money?

http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/...-created-two-thirds-of-the-uks-national-debt/

And the argument of inheriting debt is just stupid - there was a global economic crash, a credit crunch. The whole world was affected, not just Britain under labour.

It's like blaming Churchill's government for leaving unexploded bombs all over the place after the war. But that does not stop the tories still blaming labour for the poor state of the economy when they took over after the global financial crash. They're a complete joke and are taking the country for a ride.
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Better alternative than Labour
 
ellal said:
Linky Linky

(no doubt notchy will be along shortly to ignorantly claim 'irrelevance')
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"The banks were 10 times the GDP of Iceland; 20 times the state budget. They were too big to bail out.
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"The government also set up a special agency where people in big financial trouble could apply for debt forgiveness.
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They've taken action against careless bankers but the debt was still there and they had to write it off for sake of the economy collapsing. Same thing just a different means of doing it. So yeah, pretty irrelevant.
 
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