It doesn't work that way.
If you vote Tory you are telling them that you want them to do all the things that they do.
Simples.
Daily Mail says "NHS faces a 'shortage of 350,000 staff and spiralling waiting times by 2030'"
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If you vote Tory you are telling them that you want them to do all the things that they do.
Simples.
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All countries are "in debt".
Millions of solvent, working, people with a mortgage are "in debt".
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SammyInnit
Point being?
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SammyInnit
It does work that way when you don't want Labour to take control. Some people will vote for another party just to prevent it happening.
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Point being that austerity destruction of the state is not an unfortunate, unavoidable action because "the country is in debt", it's because of an ideological desire to destroy the state.
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SammyInnit
If you vote Tory you are telling them that you want them to do all the things that they do.
And people need:
a) to have that message driven home
b) to be held accountable for what the Tories do.
It really, really, is incredibly simple - if you vote for them in any election whatsoever then you are utterly complicit in everything they do, and utterly unable to avoid the charge that you want them to do what they do.
If you don't want them to do what they do then don't ("&%*"£)%)(# vote for them.
Ever.
Simples.
Are you lying to us, or just ignorantly parroting the lies you have been told?
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SammyInnit
As apposed to the alternative. The conservatives may not be the best option but they're a better option than Labour.
Is that any clearer?
It apparently is not clear to you that if you do not want the Tories to do what they do then you do not vote for them.
And that if you do vote for them then you have to accept that you are telling them that you do want them to do what they do.
If you do vote for them then you are complicit. You do want all these cuts. You do want the NHS to be destroyed. You do want people to starve. You do want people to be driven to suicide.
If you don't want these things then don't ("&%*"£)%)(# vote for them.
Ever.
Simples.
And that if you do vote for them then you have to accept that you are telling them that you do want them to do what they do.
If you do vote for them then you are complicit. You do want all these cuts. You do want the NHS to be destroyed. You do want people to starve. You do want people to be driven to suicide.
If you don't want these things then don't ("&%*"£)%)(# vote for them.
Ever.
Simples.
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SammyInnit
Could you just tone down the hyperbolism slightly. While money has to be saved, the NHS among other public services have to be better managed. A large part of NHS debt lies with Labours increased implementation of PFI hospitals.
Labours answer is to just throw money at the problems, it breeds a wasteful attitude. Neither one is great but mine wouldn't be to do it Labours way but your suggestion of the NHS being destroyed is hyperbole.
Labours answer is to just throw money at the problems, it breeds a wasteful attitude. Neither one is great but mine wouldn't be to do it Labours way but your suggestion of the NHS being destroyed is hyperbole.
You'll realise I was right when it becomes too late to reverse the destruction. And it's not just the NHS - the ideological drive of the Tories is to slash the state as a whole.
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NHS? 350,000? Those first three numbers seem awfully familiar...
It's not 'throwing money at the problem', it's called investment...
'Wasteful' is the tory obsession with privatisation!
What could we do with the profits made by private companies operating within the NHS?
Similarly it's actually cheaper to remove education fees than create a regime of unpayable student debt...
And privatised public services could be re-nationalised at no or little cost according to the IMF...
On the whole the EU do it differently.
But I guess that's why the tories reject the 'European Social Model'
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durhamplumber
Mr Sheds,are you a raving Commi?.
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