Dangerous fitting or dangerous bulbs?

[Calvados]

the base in the second photo has been broken (by the blown bulb).
A mini disaster. I have two of these chandeliers and will now have to peace both of them

 

[EFLImpudence]

I think that this is a good illustration of how the changes in terminology/vocabulary which have occurred can result in total confusion!

But which has changed?

Just as with my "table lamps", "standard lamps", "inspection lamps" and "headlamps", the "lamp" to which the OP was referring was a fitting/luminaire, not a "lamp which one plugs into the lamp" (aka a bulb!)!

I would think the term stems from the oil lamp or gas lamp, where the whole thing was the lamp and whose individual parts would not work on their own.
Then a lamp was invented where the adjoing parts were merely decorative and superfluous to the part which produced the light - the lamp.


That people call lots of things lamps these days does not mean they are correct.


Substitute luminaire for light if you wish but I have never heard anyone in the outside world use luminaire.

Perhaps your "table lamp" is not a lamp but a table light which contains a lamp.
Perhaps a car "head lamp" is a headlight which contains a lamp.
Perhaps a "lamp post" supports a street light which contains a lamp.

Just call the bit that produces the light the lamp and use another word for the rest of the fitting.
Either way nothing is going to change.

 

[333rocky333]

There only small fittings just fit new holders, you can get ones with 300mm leads like these, though I cant vouch for these there just an example.
Hard to tell by your pic what you have so check how there fitted, its usually 2 screws.
Buy ceramic ones not the plastic ones and avoid chinese cheap ones
Change all 3 if different height to existing
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CE-CERTIF...ight-Bulb-Halogen-LED-UK-SELLER-/222315930177

 

[JohnW2]

That people call lots of things lamps these days does not mean they are correct.

Well, in the past they certainly would have been correct ... but someone has subsequently done some 're-defining'. ....

Perhaps your "table lamp" is not a lamp but a table light which contains a lamp.
Perhaps a car "head lamp" is a headlight which contains a lamp.
Perhaps a "lamp post" supports a street light which contains a lamp.

Perhaps, now - but, as above, in most cases only because someone decided to change the language. I will agree that "headlight" and "headlamp" always seem to have been interchangeable - but your are old enough to know that "table lamp" (and many other types of "lamp") and "lamp post" originally meant.

Just call the bit that produces the light the lamp and use another word for the rest of the fitting. Either way nothing is going to change.

"Change back", you mean? If so, I agree - but it is unusual to find you supporting a change in meaning/use of words! Having said that, virtually every 'ordinary' person I know still talks of "bulbs", so nothing needs to be "changed back" for them!

Kind Regards, John

 

[ericmark]

I can see how the glass does with the fitting in question protect the user from the black UV light, however if it was mine I would not want G9 bulbs. It was not my mistake assuming you were using adaptors you called it a (G9 ES 42w = 60w equivalent) and I simply googled what you wrote.

 

[333rocky333]

We have 2 identical light fittings in our bedroom. Each fitting carries 3 x G9 Halogen.

He later quoted I assume what was on the lamp packaging, ES in this case was Energy Saver or Saving, not Edison Screw

 

[Calvados]

Thanks 333rocky333 - I didn't realise I could change the base. Here's another photo - do you think they would fit?

I will then buy some LEDs (safer?) - this whole experience has put me right off G9s (that are not somehow enclosed in a fitting)

 

[333rocky333]

You would have to dismantle the fitting, in the round base are the connections, the lampholders would need to come with wire long enough to reach there, they are precrimped, if the wire looks hard to thread through the arms then tie a drawwire onto the old one before removing it.

As said some vary in height so if thats a problem get dumpier ones or change all 3 to match, though carefull as Led are longer and you dont want them higher than the shade, Led might look crap with them shades as decent leds only light at the top and the lower half may be a bit darker

 

[333rocky333]

To be honest if you get the glass out, them holders will likely be ok, you could glue the ceramic bit back on proberly, it looks away from the electrical contact

 

[333rocky333]

Looking again its hard to tell if thats a 1 peice lampholder, until you remove the 2 screws.
If its all 1 peice with the thread and shade ring moulded on, then it may be a task to get them
The ones i linked to earlier wont hold a shade
https://discounthomelighting.co.uk/...MImLrRuO_m1gIVr7vtCh19sAF1EAQYBCABEgI0RfD_BwE

http://www.ebay.co.uk/bhp/g9-lamp-holder
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mains-240...d=231629524176&_trksid=p2047675.c100752.m1982

Not sure how the wires attach to these ones

 

[ban-all-sheds]

If the G9 capsules are not enclosed, then I disagree that they are good quality.

Very few are enclosed.

I meant enclosed by the luminaire.

Jolly good.

I await with interest your explanation of how the quality of a G9 capsule is affected by whether or not the luminaire encloses it.

 

[stillp]

I await with interest your explanation of how the quality of a G9 capsule is affected by whether or not the luminaire encloses it.

I refer the Honourable Gentleman to posts #26 and #27.

 

[JohnW2]

I refer the Honourable Gentleman to posts #26 and #27.

I think BAS's point was that the 'quality' of a G9 capsule is a characteristic of that capsule, and is not affected by whatever fitting it is put into.

Kind Regards, John

 

[stillp]

I think BAS's point was that the 'quality' of a G9 capsule is a characteristic of that capsule, and is not affected by whatever fitting it is put into.

I'm sure it was.

 

[JohnW2]

I'm sure it was.

Indeed, and on this occasion I have to agree with him!

Kind Regards, John