Daniel Hodges

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carmanmemoranda said:
The fact you can't criticise Trump for getting it wrong.

These were not individually assessed.

Some very serious crimes involved
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yes and "I do not think all should have been pardoned."

Are you deliberately being stupid?
 
carmanmemoranda said:
And that's why you are so obviously wrong.

If you pull the plug in a bath, everything goes out, not just the hot water
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I do not think all should have been pardoned.
carmanmemoranda said:
Say so then

Say trump got it wrong. Actually admit it
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IMO Trump was wrong to pardon all of them. Is exactly the same as I do not think all should have been pardoned.
 
motorbiking said:
I do not think all should have been pardoned.

IMO Trump was wrong to pardon all of them. Is exactly the same as I do not think all should have been pardoned.
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Took you until page 7 to admit that.

Why didn't you just say it ages ago


It's been my stance since it happened. But I support law and order.

Now, if ANY were fit to be released they should have been individually assessed
 
carmanmemoranda said:
No. You didn't admit Trump got it wrong
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motorbiking said:
I totally support those who committed crimes equivalent to ABH or GBH getting jail.
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maybe you should stop lying now. You seem to have me down as a Trump supporter, I've said several times I am not
carmanmemoranda said:
Incredible that you don't think each case is individual
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Incredible that you want to twist my words..

Each case being individual does no mean, that each case cannot be grouped. Those who were charged and jailed with essentially an illegal protest can be treated separately from those who committed violence. This is exactly the same as those convicted of fraud in the post office scandal getting their convictions quashed in bulk, despite every case being unique. Are you opposed to that?
 
John Nassif, 56, of Chuluota, FL, was found guilty of entering and remaining in a restricted building or grounds; disorderly and disruptive conduct in a restricted building or grounds; disorderly conduct in a Capitol Building, and parading, demonstrating, or picketing in a Capitol Building.

"According to the government’s evidence, on January 6, 2021, John Nassif, 56, of Chuluota, FL, attended the Stop the Steal rally on the ellipse of the National Mall. Nassif then marched to the Capitol building to protest Congress’s certification of the presidential election results. After accompanying his friends back to their hotel, Nassif returned to the East side of the Capitol alone. At approximately 3:01 p.m., Nassif entered the restricted area on the East front plaza of the Capitol. He joined a large crowd outside a door on the East Front. Nassif observed police officers pushing people back from the door and closing it. The windows in the door were broken and an alarm was ringing. Nassif heard other members of the crowd shout, “why the f**k can't we come in!” and “It's going to take an army to remove us!” Nassif turned to the crowd and yelled “Whose House?” The crowd shouted back, “Our House!” Nassif repeated this chant six times.

When the door was pushed open from the inside by another rioter, Nassif entered the Capitol building with the purpose of disrupting congressional proceedings. He was able to enter, despite a police officer trying to push him back, at 3:13 p.m. Once inside, Nassif waved for other rioters to enter behind him, as police struggled to re-close the door. Nassif then walked deeper into the building. From the doorway of the Rotunda, Nassif recorded a video of rioters in the Rotunda physically resisting police officers who were attempting to remove them. Nassif entered the Rotunda and joined the other rioters, until he was pushed back out a minute later. Nassif exited the Capitol building at 3:23 p.m. "
 
denso13 said:
John Nassif, 56, of Chuluota, FL, was found guilty of entering and remaining in a restricted building or grounds; disorderly and disruptive conduct in a restricted building or grounds; disorderly conduct in a Capitol Building, and parading, demonstrating, or picketing in a Capitol Building.

"According to the government’s evidence, on January 6, 2021, John Nassif, 56, of Chuluota, FL, attended the Stop the Steal rally on the ellipse of the National Mall. Nassif then marched to the Capitol building to protest Congress’s certification of the presidential election results. After accompanying his friends back to their hotel, Nassif returned to the East side of the Capitol alone. At approximately 3:01 p.m., Nassif entered the restricted area on the East front plaza of the Capitol. He joined a large crowd outside a door on the East Front. Nassif observed police officers pushing people back from the door and closing it. The windows in the door were broken and an alarm was ringing. Nassif heard other members of the crowd shout, “why the f**k can't we come in!” and “It's going to take an army to remove us!” Nassif turned to the crowd and yelled “Whose House?” The crowd shouted back, “Our House!” Nassif repeated this chant six times.

When the door was pushed open from the inside by another rioter, Nassif entered the Capitol building with the purpose of disrupting congressional proceedings. He was able to enter, despite a police officer trying to push him back, at 3:13 p.m. Once inside, Nassif waved for other rioters to enter behind him, as police struggled to re-close the door. Nassif then walked deeper into the building. From the doorway of the Rotunda, Nassif recorded a video of rioters in the Rotunda physically resisting police officers who were attempting to remove them. Nassif entered the Rotunda and joined the other rioters, until he was pushed back out a minute later. Nassif exited the Capitol building at 3:23 p.m. "
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Just class him alongside bystanders too then.

They are all the same, no need to individually assess
 
motorbiking said:
finding themselves in the middle of it. You've got plod beating down on you and a mob pushing forward from behind.
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Gosh what do you do? Just carry on finding yourself all the way to The Capitol, through the barricades, past the police, through the barricaded doors and windows, past the security guards, into the no entry areas and into private offices.

That is some pushing.
 
noseall said:
Gosh what do you do? Just carry on finding yourself all the way to The Capitol, through the barricades, past the police, through the barricaded doors and windows, past the security guards, into the no entry areas and into private offices.

That is some pushing.
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So what sentence would you give?
 
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