Deluded

Pat ex said:
Everyone is entitled to an opinion. It doesn't make them experts.
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Gove didn't like experts.

Same as Truss

And Johnson.

People who know what they are talking about point out the folly of Brexit and Torynomics.

 
Both Labour and the tories are to blame for the destruction of the country. We have everything we need and all the people we need to be wealthy and secure, but our ruling classes want to keep it from us.
 
securespark said:
I've been reading a lot in the press about people complaining that Labour are still to blame for most of the problems this country has, despite the Cons having been in office for as many years as they have.
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Things get forgotten in the mists of time. I'm a big Beatles fan and I'm forever correcting younger fans on forums for making extravagant claims and mythologising. I can do this because I was around at the time and remember the simple truths of various matters. Similarly, I remember the Tony Blair years and in particular the activities of Jack Straw, who was MP for Blackburn. Blackburn has many of what are meekly called "Asians" and the Asians pressed Straw to get the law changed to allow families of immigrants to come here. He did and they did, and since then we have had two decades of "chain migration" (look it up). The population has increased by over 10 million due to Blair's and Straw's actions, many of those 10 million being in receipt of public money and have clogged up services and infrastructure. By the end of the Blair era the country was £821 billion in debt. Before Blair, governments had been reasonably modest with finances. After Blair they can never be; "the tories" had to continue the spending - it is easier to give a dog a bone that it is to take it away from him.

With Blair we entered an era of Marxism, let us hope it doesn't last the 70 years that it did in Eastern Europe. (Imagine it all starting in little Blackburn though!)
 
andy11 said:
Similarly, I remember the Tony Blair years and in particular the activities of Jack Straw, who was MP for Blackburn. Blackburn has many of what are meekly called "Asians" and the Asians pressed Straw to get the law changed to allow families of immigrants to come here. He did and they did, and since then we have had two decades of "chain migration" (look it up). The population has increased by over 10 million due to Blair's and Straw's actions, many of those 10 million being in receipt of public money and have clogged up services and infrastructure
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I was also around, and I do remember a change, which caused a small temporary spike, but I don't think there was a massive long term effect. Do you know what the change to the law was, and roughly when it happened? As you suggested, I've looked up figures on family migration, and it seems to have been averaging about 60,000 per year over the past two decades, compared with about 40,000 per year between 1980 and 2000. The extra 20,000 people per year over two decades would only add 400,000 people, not ten million.
 
JonathanM said:
I was also around, and I do remember a change, which caused a small temporary spike, but I don't think there was a massive long term effect. Do you know what the change to the law was, and roughly when it happened? As you suggested, I've looked up figures on family migration, and it seems to have been averaging about 60,000 per year over the past two decades, compared with about 40,000 per year between 1980 and 2000. The extra 20,000 people per year over two decades would only add 400,000 people, not ten million.
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Are you suggesting Andy11 is prone to a little massive exaggeration?
Sorry, I'm new here. ;)
 
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