DNA database

[imamartian]

how can any good honest person argue against this?

a complete database, and any crime where the person left anything ! and we would know who they were straight away?

how can anyone disagree with that?

 

[jefoss]

how can any good honest person argue against this?

a complete database, and any crime where the person left anything ! and we would know who they were straight away?

how can anyone disagree with that?

some people jsut dont like the "big brother" effect do they. me for one, agree with you, in principle, but the government cant keep hold of a cpl disks of information at the min, let alone all our data too. i was listening to a story on the radio about it the other day and the police wouldnt have direct access they would have a number of the dna that they need. they then have to get a court order to get the identity of the person. sounds a bit long winded tho.

 

[imamartian]

but DNA in a database would be "010011100101001001010111101"... or similar and attached to my name.
If "010011100101001001010111101" turned up at a crime scene then it's me that's done it.... how on earth would the 'big brother' thing come into that?

 

[ellal]

how can any good honest person argue against this?

a complete database, and any crime where the person left anything ! and we would know who they were straight away?

how can anyone disagree with that?

Ah...

one of the 'nothing to hide' brigade..

well maybe you might feel differently when your dna is found at a crime scene in a public place, and you (along with others) will have to prove your innocence..

or that you may be 'called in' because your dna 'profile' matches that of a criminal..

or that you find your dna details have been sold to private companies who will use the details to decide as to whether not you might get insurance/mortgages/loans/healthcare etc..

or that the fact that a dna sample taken is not actually a full dna analysis, and is not as reliable as you may think..

or that clerical/database errors can occur in the processing, and dna samples given the wrong 'identity'?..

or maybe simply that an innocent person shouldn't be treated as a criminal waiting to happen!!..

If I've got nothing to hide, then I've done nothing wrong. If I've done nothing wrong, why do they need or want my DNA?

But since you have no problem with it, have you volunteered to have your DNA put on the database?..

Answer on a CD please...

 

[joe-90]

They can have your fingerprints - which is even less accurate - so why don't you kick up a fuss about that?

The easiest way to identify a suspect is to look at that thing that sits on their shoulders called a head! Do you wear a paper bag?

If DNA profiling gets the likes of Tobin off the streets before he goes on to murder again - isn't that a good thing?

 

[empip]

Like an iceberg much lies beneath the glossy surface...

Laboratory quality
Another concern raised by DNA forensics is the quality of the testing. While DNA evidence is considered by courts to be reliable in general, questions remain about the accuracy and reliability of testing performed by some laboratories that perform forensic DNA analysis. Errors in laboratory testing can lead to injustice when the wrong person is identified as the perpetrator or when the evidence is excluded and the actual perpetrator goes free. Numerous recent scandals in crime laboratories around the country have revealed errors caused by both negligent practices and deliberate malfeasance, suggesting the need for a systematic assessment of the quality of forensic laboratories and the extent to which existing quality standards are adequately enforced.

Genetics Perspectives...
A Perfect Match? DNA in Law Enforcement

UK icebergs... ??
Database security?? HMRC
Laboratory standards?? Foot and Mouth

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[oompah]

And who is going to look after this national data base if they cant find those couple of disc recently disappeared who would you trust,I for one have nothing to hide but it doesn't mean that i would be happy for this rabble in charge to hold my dna which is unique to me.

 

[joe-90]

That thing on your shoulders is a unique identifier. How many crims are convicted by having it identified?

 

[bernardgreen]

A DNA data base if used properly could be a valuable way to make a list of suspects for a crime. These could then be investigated to find other proof to be presented in court at trial.

It is making a list of suspects that can take more than 90% of the time and effort in solving a crime.

 

[oompah]

And when is big brother going to take this DNA as soon as your are born?I and like millions of others are already on a data base with my national insurance number.Thats one to many.

 

[joe-90]

When you are born you get a face and a name. That is your ID - so what? Why do you have problem with identity? Do you suggest that all fingerprint records are scrapped? That DNA is no-longer used in a court of law? That we all wander around with hoods and masks on? Come on guys - join us in the 21st century.

 

[oompah]

I think its your own iterpretation of freedom that counts as far as i am concerned the battle fields of Europe are littered with the bodies of people willing to die so that we can walk the streets with out the need to carry any form of indentification and remain anymous to a certain degree as Joe -90 says you have your face and name and that should be enough until you cross from good to evil then its up to the authoritys to collect the evidence.If you never cross this line there is no need for any one to indentify you apart from your boat race.But unfortunately this Labour rabble are intent on introducing indenity cards no doubt any thing and every thing will be on these cards so a wish for a DNA data base will soon become a reallity.

 

[joe-90]

If progress can speed up and enhance the detection of crime then why not?

It's progress. Isn't the taking of finger prints very similar? If you are against one then you must be against the other.

Is CCTV surveillance another no-no? Even though it makes the streets safer?

Come on folks - join the 21st century.

 

[imamartian]

I understand the 'big brother' argument, and right to remain anonymous. And i agree on the whole. The problem for me is that far too many scum bags use this 'right' to hide themselves.

So for me, if we all accepted one small 'breach' of our liberties, it would make a lot better for us in another sense i.e. less crime would be committed, and of the crimes that were, we could be far surer that we'd got the right people.

In an ideal situation, the details would be encrypted so still secret, and only un-encrypted when a match was found.

As for error and misuse - that's humans for you, we take that risk every day. After all take JCdM for example.

 

[oompah]

If cctv makes the streets safer how come they use it to indentify crims doing damage/fights etc they are not loking for the innocents so why do the innocents have to provide who they are?