DNA database

[imamartian]

The people that are against a dna database, what, honestly, is it that you disapprove of? Is it:

- the governement?
- the police?
- or the fact that you think a record of everyones' dna wouldn't help solve crimes?

Someone said what if a 'corrupt' government in 10-30 years used it to get your dna and clone you? If any governement wanted your dna they could get it now - from your toothbrush.

And what makes you a 'potential crim' if you're on the database? surely it means you're ruled out more quickly?

And what about mistakes? Well they will always happen dna or no dna.

And as for crims carrying samples of other peoples' dna to cover their tracks... that would mean, for example, they'd have to get some of my semen and put it inside their victim's raped and murdered body - and remove all traces of their own... very unlikely.

 

[jefoss]

The people that are against a dna database, what, honestly, is it that you disapprove of? Is it:

- the governement?
- the police?
- or the fact that you think a record of everyones' dna wouldn't help solve crimes?

Someone said what if a 'corrupt' government in 10-30 years used it to get your dna and clone you? If any governement wanted your dna they could get it now - from your toothbrush.

And what makes you a 'potential crim' if you're on the database? surely it means you're ruled out more quickly?

And what about mistakes? Well they will always happen dna or no dna.

And as for crims carrying samples of other peoples' dna to cover their tracks... that would mean, for example, they'd have to get some of my semen and put it inside their victim's raped and murdered body - and remove all traces of their own... very unlikely.

we all have our doubts to the aptitude of the mighty police force in our country thats probably why we re worried it will not work, but no one has mentioned the other reason, look at the id cards, and the cost. who is going to pay for it all?

 

[imamartian]

for me, id cards is a fairly good idea that this country would be c**p at making work properly.

As for the dosh? i agree it'd cost a small fortune, but if it cut serious crime by 60% (or whatever) - i'd pay another 10p per pint for that.

 

[Hysteresis]

DNA profiling is by no means a simple process. If it is set up then there will be a need to profile 60,000,000 people. With an error rate of as little as 0.1% this would amount to 60,000 errors.
The only thing that bothers me is that an error leads to me being identified for something I would not have the mental or physical capability to do. As I am not a criminal by any standards it would end up that I would have to defend an error in the original profiling.
I fear I would be found guilty on the assumption that DNA profiling is foolproof and only an error in matching of 1 in 100,000,000 is thrown about.
Whilst the 100,000,000 may be correct but only if the original data is correct. I fear 1 in 10,000 is nearer the figure and that is too low an accuracy to be foolproof. My figures are not scientifically sourced and are only meant as an example of the kind of error very low rate which could produce big big problems for us good guys.
If it were foolproof I would be at the front of the queue to have mine entered on the data base.

 

[Deluks]

The people that are against a dna database, what, honestly, is it that you disapprove of? Is it:

- the governement?
- the police?
- or the fact that you think a record of everyones' dna wouldn't help solve crimes?

Someone said what if a 'corrupt' government in 10-30 years used it to get your dna and clone you? If any governement wanted your dna they could get it now - from your toothbrush.

And what makes you a 'potential crim' if you're on the database? surely it means you're ruled out more quickly?

And what about mistakes? Well they will always happen dna or no dna.

And as for crims carrying samples of other peoples' dna to cover their tracks... that would mean, for example, they'd have to get some of my semen and put it inside their victim's raped and murdered body - and remove all traces of their own... very unlikely.

I've already suggested the pube idea, why are you making up and then disregarding your own scenarios. I agree with you on the semen thing, I am agreeing with you disagreeing with yourself. (Think about it)


But assuming you're right and everyone else is wrong; I don't want to be on the dna database, how are they going to get me on it?

 

[tim west]

Joe it's that I don't like the fact that loads of my information can be easily got at, it's not being worried or anything I just value my privacy and if the info police wish to know anythng about me then they can pay ME for it not someone else, that's if i choose to sell.

 

[Barsteward]

So, i take it you're all ready for the Biometric National Identity Card then?

 

[Shutpa]

I am in favour because the introduction of such a data-base would lead to the rapid detection of many perpetrators of current crimes and also the detection of some of the crimes that have taken place in the past. At the moment it is only when a person has his/her DNA sample taken on arrest or apprehension for a current crime, that the existing data-base shows up a direct connection of that person to a crime that has taken place in the past. The existence of a National DNA Data-base would eliminate this 'chance' element of detection.

I am also in favour because it would prove that I am who I say I am (for others benefit, not mine. I know who I am).

 

[Hysteresis]

Hi Bolo - You said "I am also in favour because it would prove that I am who I say I am (for others benefit, not mine. I know who I am)."
If there is a mistake in the 60,000,000 records (which there inevitably will-maybe 60,000 mistakes at a 0.1% error rate) then maybe your DNA will PROVE you are someone else who may have committed a murder. This is THE problem and when you try to prove the DNA data base is in error, it will not only be very difficult but also very time consuming and very very expensive and all because the government department messed it up AGAIN, and refuse to accept responsibility for their incompetence.

 

[NickStone]

DNA records may be fine while we have a 'benevolent' government (and I realise some of us might argue that we don't). However, suppose in the future a less scrupulous regime were to take over, one, for example, that rules us by force rather than democracy. What then?

 

[Hysteresis]

DNA records may be fine while we have a 'benevolent' government (and I realise some of us might argue that we don't). However, suppose in the future a less scrupulous regime were to take over, one, for example, that rules us by force rather than democracy. What then?

Spot On - I think the regime to which you refer is called the 'EU' and Brussels !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!