Does part P go far enough?

[RF Lighting]

I can't justify the cost, and time required for scheme membership to allow me to install a socket at home.

There is not just the cost of joining of course to consider. There is other stuff such as the recurring membership costs, the cost of getting covered for the apropriate insurance etc. I would also need the time to meed the assesor, and go through all the induction stuff.

I don't know anyone else in this situation, so would have to pay it all my self.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

So there fore having someone who has a better understanding and knowledge check that work is not such a bad thing.

I'm not saying it is a bad thing, just that forcing people to do it is unjustified.

No one can say whether lives and property is being saved as yet due to part p as its not been about long enough to be judged.

Over three years.

The problem is though that the figures used in the consultation process were bogus, so even if it does make the improvements claimed (which I doubt, given how ineffectual it is), that's only a few deaths per year. And that's before you consider the inevitable downside of people doing inappropriate things in order to avoid notification.

Dont get me wrong I aint to happy about it myself but all the shouting in the world wont change it.

I'm not shouting about it....

Sorry as another point of interest do you do your own or your families MOT on there cars or do you just maybe do the work and let someone else MOT it

Strangely enough I don't run a registered MOT testing station, so I have someone else MOT it.

But that's once a year, not every time I change the pads, or replace a lamp....

 

[sealeon]

RF yours and other sparks position is completely different NO one with an apprentiship and trade qualifications should have to join a scheme its a complete insult it should be the trade asking the asseser for his competence in my opinion

 

[ban-all-sheds]

NO one with an apprentiship and trade qualifications should have to join a scheme

So who should?

 

[sealeon]

BAS no one should force anyone to do anything but if you your doing work that MAY be dangerous to you or others then it is probably a good idea to get it cheched out am I in trouble here

 

[sealeon]

NO one with an apprentiship and trade qualifications should have to join a scheme

So who should?

I think the work should be checkable if you got a qualification or training in it you should be able to do it yourself remember there is always a posibility if your house burns down so might next door

 

[mattylad]

perhaps we ought to get the plumbers to come & check your work BAS/RF

Isn't it good that this gets discussed almost every week

 

[sealeon]

Sorry matty missed that

 

[FingRinal]

Let's explode some myths about Part P.

How many certificates were issued for any type of work before Part P?

How many installations were tested before Part P?

How many traceable jobs were there before Part P?

How many job came with 6-year warranties before Part P?

How many professional electricians owned test equipment before Part P?

If electricians had been complying with BS7671, there might not have been a requirement for Part P.

I'm not pro-Part P, not anti-Part P.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

BAS no one should force anyone to do anything but if you your doing work that MAY be dangerous to you or others then it is probably a good idea to get it cheched out am I in trouble here

Well not in trouble, but if you're saying that nobody should be forced to have their work checked than you are in a bit of a hole trying to explain this:

Let diyers do what ever they like, but everything they do has to be inspected, tested and formally approved by a qualified spark.

I agree

 

[ban-all-sheds]

I think the work should be checkable if you got a qualification or training in it you should be able to do it yourself remember there is always a posibility if your house burns down so might next door

That's not really an answer to "who should have to join a scheme?"...

 

[FingRinal]

Actualy BAS, with all the DIY work you've done at your home, all the money you've spent on testers, surely it would have been more cost effective for you to join a scheme rather than pay the notification fee each time. All seems like an huge expense otherwise. It's not as if you use any of it at work.

 

[sealeon]

I think that any self employed person carrying out electrical work as a business should be registered I think anyone carrying out electrical work in there home should have there work checked by someone competent[what should they worry about] the only thing I would question is the time served spark doing his/her own work at home[Now they really do have something to moan about] sorry BAS but I have been in the trade and I have seen FAR too many disasters for someone like yourself who is NOT in the trade to change my mind on that as everyone keeps on saying people will always do there own work that is why this site is not a bad thing
A ll I would question is the price of checks for a DIYers work but on the whole part p and other things JIB etc are a good thing.I have seen some right idiots calling themselves sparks on site and was glad the JIB got rid of them.OK

 

[sealeon]

If there wasnt checks and schemes in the building industry it would be a disaster burning buildings people getting killed buildings falling down it would be terrible sometimes its not just about money.How would you and your family like to live in house build completely by have a go harry and his mates some one has to promote standards there you go

 

[ban-all-sheds]

I think that any self employed person carrying out electrical work as a business should be registered

NO one with an apprentiship and trade qualifications should have to join a scheme

I think anyone carrying out electrical work in there home should have there work checked by someone competent

But why do you think that?

Is it that you resent people doing things that you think you should be getting paid to do or is it that you have evidence that such checks are necessary?

And what work would you have checked? Anything and everything?

A ll I would question is the price of checks for a DIYers work

The materials to add a socket to an existing circuit cost a few quid.

What sort of checking could be done for a price proportionate to the cost of the job?

but on the whole part p and other things JIB etc are a good thing.

NO one with an apprentiship and trade qualifications should have to join a scheme