Dominic Cummings says UK always intended to ditch NI protocol

The EU don’t have mutual recognition of chilled meats….because no 3rd country imports them to the SM.

Remainers were explaining this before the deal.

the EU offered a solution.


But hey, brexers keep blaming everybody else for their mess

Stop talking sh1te Notch. They import 800,000 tons of the stuff from 3rd countries with far lower standards than the UK.

We are importing meat from third countries in Europe! | European Livestock Voice (meatthefacts.eu)

The European Union is indeed importing significant and growing quantities of meat into the EU. Poultry meat is by far the main import sector, with more than 800,000 tonnes imported every year. In bilateral free-trade negotiations, the EU has tried to include provisions for topics such as animal welfare in the negotiations. However, very often these provisions require collaboration between the parties meaning no binding rules.

There was a peak in 2016 with more than 900,000 tonnes that was imported. Imports are coming mainly from Brazil (45%), Thailand (30%) and Ukraine (15%) and concern high value cuts, primarily breast meat, that are preferred by EU consumers and that are produced at a much lower cost in these countries.

The second most imported meat in the EU is beef meat, with annual amount reaching around 340 000 tonnes. Here again, Brazil is the main supplier (40%), followed by Argentina (20%), Uruguay (15%) and USA-Australia (10%). Similarly to poultry, mainly high value cuts are imported into the EU, meaning that the competition from third countries has an even higher economic impact on EU producers. 180,000 tonnes is imported of sheep/goat meat every year, which is quite significant related to total EU production, as imports equal 20% of the EU production. Imports are mainly coming from New Zealand and Australia.

Imports for pork are relatively small as they amount 33,000 tonnes every year with Switzerland representing 60% of this amount.

When it comes to animal welfare, imports from third countries are only subject to their national legislation.

Welfare is not recognised in WTO rules making it impossible for countries from the EU, with high animal welfare standards to impose identical standards on the imported products. Therefore, for as long as animal welfare are not recognised at WTO level, there is no guarantee that meat or live animals imported from third countries have respected the exact same standards as the ones imposed on EU producers.

In many of the countries we are importing from the legislation is limited.

In bilateral free-trade negotiations, the EU has started to try to include animal welfare provisions in the negotiations. However, very often these provisions require collaboration between the parties meaning no binding rules. Nevertheless, in the case of poultry meat for example, the legislation on the protection of animals at the time of killing has to be implemented by the third country in an “equivalent way”. And in the egg sector the Commission is trying to embed the respect of the ban of conventional battery cage in trade agreements, which is in application in the EU since 2012. Against this background, EU farmers, cooperatives and their organisations are promoting high animal welfare standards at world level and try to work together with EU stakeholders to push trading partners to respect higher health and welfare standards.
 
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why are remoaners so happy to see agreements or some other such caper damage this country

they aren’t.

which is why they pointed out the problems it would cause.

but leave voters were happy to see the UK get damaged……and now they are denial.
 
they aren’t.

which is why they pointed out the problems it would cause.

but leave voters were happy to see the UK get damaged……and now they are denial.

so you support the 80% cut in red tape than for NI ???

or are you with the french who opposed it ?
 
Stop talking sh1te Notch. They import 800,000 tons of the stuff from 3rd countries with far lower standards than the UK.

We are importing meat from third countries in Europe! | European Livestock Voice (meatthefacts.eu)

The European Union is indeed importing significant and growing quantities of meat into the EU. Poultry meat is by far the main import sector, with more than 800,000 tonnes imported every year. In bilateral free-trade negotiations, the EU has tried to include provisions for topics such as animal welfare in the negotiations. However, very often these provisions require collaboration between the parties meaning no binding rules.

There was a peak in 2016 with more than 900,000 tonnes that was imported. Imports are coming mainly from Brazil (45%), Thailand (30%) and Ukraine (15%) and concern high value cuts, primarily breast meat, that are preferred by EU consumers and that are produced at a much lower cost in these countries.

The second most imported meat in the EU is beef meat, with annual amount reaching around 340 000 tonnes. Here again, Brazil is the main supplier (40%), followed by Argentina (20%), Uruguay (15%) and USA-Australia (10%). Similarly to poultry, mainly high value cuts are imported into the EU, meaning that the competition from third countries has an even higher economic impact on EU producers. 180,000 tonnes is imported of sheep/goat meat every year, which is quite significant related to total EU production, as imports equal 20% of the EU production. Imports are mainly coming from New Zealand and Australia.

Imports for pork are relatively small as they amount 33,000 tonnes every year with Switzerland representing 60% of this amount.

When it comes to animal welfare, imports from third countries are only subject to their national legislation.

Welfare is not recognised in WTO rules making it impossible for countries from the EU, with high animal welfare standards to impose identical standards on the imported products. Therefore, for as long as animal welfare are not recognised at WTO level, there is no guarantee that meat or live animals imported from third countries have respected the exact same standards as the ones imposed on EU producers.

In many of the countries we are importing from the legislation is limited.

In bilateral free-trade negotiations, the EU has started to try to include animal welfare provisions in the negotiations. However, very often these provisions require collaboration between the parties meaning no binding rules. Nevertheless, in the case of poultry meat for example, the legislation on the protection of animals at the time of killing has to be implemented by the third country in an “equivalent way”. And in the egg sector the Commission is trying to embed the respect of the ban of conventional battery cage in trade agreements, which is in application in the EU since 2012. Against this background, EU farmers, cooperatives and their organisations are promoting high animal welfare standards at world level and try to work together with EU stakeholders to push trading partners to respect higher health and welfare standards.

zero mention of “chilled”

please try to avoid whataboutery.
 
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Stop talking sh1te Notch. They import 800,000 tons of the stuff from 3rd countries with far lower standards than the UK

Thank you for pointing out WTO rules prevent level playing field on welfare standards.
 
so you support the 80% cut in red tape than for NI ???

or are you with the french who opposed it ?

I agree with the reduction, it makes the EU more popular in NI.

NI will still continue to align with the Single Market, these changes only reduce checks at the border. 3rd country Brexit red tape (transit documents, customs declarations, roo checks etc still required)
 
Bloke from Marks and Sparks had a lorry turned back because the docs were filled out with blue ink
And not black ink :confused:

jeez us wept

if you did not laugh you would have to cry

blue ink ffs
 
The Protocol shows up how NI benefits from Single Market membership.


all of the problems brexers are moaning about, take place when GB exports to EU countries.

ironic really, this Brexit govt aren’t bothered about those.
 
Bloke from Marks and Sparks had a lorry turned back because the docs were filled out with blue ink
And not black ink :confused:

jeez us wept

if you did not laugh you would have to cry

blue ink ffs
Blame the Tory govt.

they refused to build infrastructure or IT because it would prove Johnson lied about checks.
 
Bloke from Marks and Sparks had a lorry turned back because the docs were filled out with blue ink
And not black ink :confused:

I wonder what idiots voted to throw away membership of the worlds finest single market

And introduce additional trade barriers with our largest partner.

Oh yes.

Brexers.
 
The facts speak for themselves. Why does Frost and Bojo need to renegotiate an agreement which they themselves negotiated.

not a tory fan boy, but it has been widely reported and acknowledged that the protocol was to be continually negotiated, along with the current trade deal we have with the EU, this has been stated by the EU and the UK.

With something so complex, it cannot be expected that everything goes to plan and agreements, the trade barrier for NI has been greater than anticipated, with the UK having to ask for dispensation to extend the temporary measures, as this appeared the situation was getting no better they entered talks (as per the protocol) to come up with alternative solutions.

It's similar to renovating a house, you have all your surveys done, all sorts of weird and wonderful experts come along and advise you plans of actions etc, you get a plan, start work and realise that things werent as the experts thought, and there are underlying issues which was unaware of or didn't realise, and so the plan needs to be changed. it's not particularly unusual.

Another example is the EU itself, how many treaty's have their been signed over the years as things have changed?
 
not a tory fan boy, but it has been widely reported and acknowledged that the protocol was to be continually negotiated, along with the current trade deal we have with the EU, this has been stated by the EU and the UK.

the problem is Johnson lied about the deal.

he claimed there would be no checks or paperwork...a blatant lie

even with border checks removed there will still be transit documents, customs declarations, rules of origin checks -all done by the exporter.



"continually negotiated" is different from trying to ignore reality....brexit voters blame the EU for checks and paperwork -which is what you get when you are a 3rd country.
 
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