My thoughts exactly chris and here is another thought for you all to ponder while we are all saving energy,the planet blah,blah,blahThese fines maybe justified, but seriously where do you think the money is recovered from ?
The way to do it is to fine the chief executive personally. Not £2M obviously, but if you ran a company like that, and were faced with the possibility of a severe personal financial loss if the people who worked for you failed in their legal obligations you'd make damned sure they didn't fail.Just means 5 million customers will end up paying UK Gov Inc 40p extra.
These fines maybe justified, but seriously where do you think the money is recovered from ?
Should we not do the maths with an assumption that not everybody has only lighting in their home, none of which has yet been replaced with energy efficient types, and that CFLs are not 10% of incandescents for the same light output, and therefore that switching to CFLs will not reduce the sales of electricity by 90%?lets do the maths
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my 90% saving equates to a 90% reduction in productivity and a 90% reduction in profit so what does the utility company do?A 90% drop in sales is huge for any company!
My thoughts exactly chris and here is another thought for you all to ponder while we are all saving energy,the planet blah,blah,blahThese fines maybe justified, but seriously where do you think the money is recovered from ?
we are all being told how much we are going to save by saving energy, fitting energy savers, draught proofing zoning off heating etc,Don't get me wrong I'm all for it but its still gonna cost! -me,and you
lets do the maths
just to keep things simple lets say I live in a house with 10 light fittings, nothing fancy,just 10 pendants each with a 100w lamp now lets get saving!
so I take out my 10 one hundred watt bulbs and replace them with 10 energy efficient ten watt bulbs
now instead of using one kilowatt per hour I'm now using 100 watts per hr
I have now lowered my energy consumption by 90% and the power station has to make 90% less everyone's happy and the worlds going to be saved! great eh? well yes it would be but for one thing -
PROFIT
these are privatised companies now remember and
my 90% saving equates to a 90% reduction in productivity and a 90% reduction in profit so what does the utility company do?A 90% drop in sales is huge for any company!
do you honestly believe that the soaring fuel prices we are all now experiencing is all down to the cost of raw materials? get real, they're businesses and the more energy efficient you are the more they are losing and the more they will increase prices to compensate
It can never work and never will
now if it was state owned and ran fairly now thats a different story less energy needed equates to less raw materials less wear and tear less maintenance etc for us to pay for
and hence smaller bills
mmm and I'm starting to rabbit on again
Should we not do the maths with an assumption that not everybody has only lighting in their home, none of which has yet been replaced with energy efficient types, and that CFLs are not 10% of incandescents for the same light output, and therefore that switching to CFLs will not reduce the sales of electricity by 90%?lets do the maths
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my 90% saving equates to a 90% reduction in productivity and a 90% reduction in profit so what does the utility company do?A 90% drop in sales is huge for any company!
I was going to cost it at 10p per unit as well,come off it, fair enough maybe not 90% but you can see what I'm getting atjust to keep things simple lets say.......
they will be paying even more per quarter, they get the same rise in chargesShould we not do the maths with an assumption that not everybody has only lighting in their home, none of which has yet been replaced with energy efficient types
mmmmmmmWhere does all the heat from your bulbs go? Your electricity consumption may have gone down, but your gas/electric heating consumption just went up as well.
My house has 20 light fittings, almost all of them have CFLs. However I also have a washing machine, a tumble drier and a dishwasher. In winter I use an electric heater in the bedroom. These loads use far far more than all my lights would, even if they were all incandescent lamps. Lighting is an insignificant electrical load. Space and water heating, and air con, are the major domestic loads....lets do the maths
just to keep things simple lets say I live in a house with 10 light fittings, ...
in comparison yes but hardly insignificant to EDF when you multiply KWH x pence per unit x millions of people over the year! and hardly insignificant when they are so inefficient that governments worldwide are calling bans on incandescent lampsLighting is an insignificant electrical load. Space and water heating, and air con, are the major domestic loads.
this fine is a truly insignificant amount of money compared to the effects on profit that switching from incandescent lamps to energy savers will have,BTW since we live in a competitive energy market, EDF can't just winch their prices up to make the customer pay and maintain their profits. This fine is going to come out of the shareholders' pockets.
Lighting is an insignificant load as a percentage of domestic usage, and as percentage of total usage. Hence it is an insignificant percentage of total capacity and of profits of generating, distribution and supply companies. Economic growth and decline change total usage far more than the switch to CFLs will make.... hardly insignificant to EDF when you multiply KWH x pence per unit x millions of people over the year! and hardly insignificant when they are so inefficient that governments worldwide are calling bans on incandescent lamps
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