Electric Boiler Question

If you go for the property, be sure to ask them for the DNO notification and DNO permission to install the overpowered electric boiler, the electrical installation certificate for the new circuit and the building regulations notification for the new electrical circuit and the installation of a heating appliance.

When they have none of those, it's £20k off the price so the electric piece can ripped out and a proper heating system installed.
If they offer 'solutions' like an EICR, inspection, indemnity insurance or whatever, tell them where to shove those things.
 
Make is strom, I think because the breaker is 63a it will be either 11kw or 14.4kw. I didn't count rads but I think 7 rads is probable.
 
i guess depends on how much he wants the house , and no alternatives , and if a really good bargin, and if the cost to run is not a problem for him in the future , I assume NO Gas on site - so all electric only

did you ask for the previous few bills - online i can see monthly bill back to Feb22.

just looked at mine - although Gas - converted to kWh / month - and i run at about 2000 a year - for a small bungalow , with 6 main room rads (we have one in the cloakroom/office , but usually set very low)
I guess you could do the same for your house consumption

do you know how well the house is insulated - Cavity wall insulation / roof insulation - you should have been given an EPC cert - probably not worth that much - but an indication
how old is the house ?
loads of things to consider
 
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1970s house. I have asked my nephew to get last winters bills but I don't know if he did or not. No gas meter outside but strangely some old pipes in the downstairs cupboard under stairs that are capped off one has an old lever valve on it so don't know if it did have gas at some point. He could have a gas meter installed, don't know the cost, there is gas in the village. Fitting a new gas boiler would be cheaper for him as my son(gas safe) could fit it so no labour costs there.
 
sorry to have moved off the main question , BUT is this just a stepping stone, as i explained to my son when he was looking at houses for just a few years to get on the housing ladder - you also have to consider selling on - he had a few issue on a couple of properties (1 would be a mortgage issue) the other building regs (although not current , it would possibly also put future buyers off , as that and many other things did put him off in the end, and they did negotiate on price a lot )
So for a short term purchase (he guessed maybe 3-5years , and is single) he has been also considering the future sales value

Not sure ho wmuch gas would be to connect and maybe something the present owner considered

i have had about 5 1970's houses and NONE of them had any insulation to talk of
 
I would think a starter home for him for a few years.
so selling on would also be a factor , and as a starter home I assume all in financially - so not a lot spare cash to have infrastructure things - like gas connected and rip out the system - as previously suggested

depends on the present deco etc - my son looked at a few 1930's houses and some were in great decor and could be lived with , others just needed gutting and startign again

good luck to him , good he has someone to help out as getting the first home wrong can be very expensive and a problem, if wanting to sale on later quickly
 
No gas meter outside but strangely some old pipes in the downstairs cupboard under stairs that are capped off one has an old lever valve on it so don't know if it did have gas at some point. He could have a gas meter installed, don't know the cost, there is gas in the village.
Sounds rather like there was Gas in the property at some stage, wondering if the supply pipework was upgraded at some point in the past and the Occupiers at the time refused to have theirs done, so it was abandoned and the Meter removed. Older properties often had the Gas meter in an internal cupboard, mine still is in the understairs as the Gas People wont move it unless the service pipe starts leaking....

New supply connection isn't cheap from previous experience, but half the work may already have been done if the old steel service is in reasonable condition to allow a new service to be inserted through it to reach the property. External meter box would be needed but then sounds like your Son can run the supply from there into the property.
 
Thanks Etaf. I would say little cash to spare. The boiler is the major stumbling block if it needs to come out plus the rest of the speed fit pipework which was likely done by homeowner.
 
Thanks Hugh I didn't realise some people had the meter inside like that.
 
You should try to work out why it was installed in the first place. It’s tempting to just think “previous owners were idiots” but it’s also possible that there is some issue that made fitting better heating impossible, or wildly expensive, or something.
 
Thanks Hugh I didn't realise some people had the meter inside like that.
Common in older properties, right up til around the 70's I think, when Built in Meter boxes became a thing, and we moved onto those. Made it easier in many cases for the Meter Readers to do their job, and less pipework internally that cannot be isolated.
 
I am now using oil for heating, in the last house it was mains gas, many around here have LPG gas, I think because gas boilers are cheaper, and the tanks often installed by the supplier.

I had expected a massive increase in cost going to oil, but in fact, in spite of being a much larger house, costs less than the last house. This may be down to control, as when we moved in, the central heating was in a mess, and previous owners it seems used the open fire, mainly burning wood.

I was rather surprised when we got someone to alter the central heating plumbing, for them to admit they could not do the electrics, did not worry me, but could see how someone who was not an electrician would have had problems getting the central heating to work.

I made some errors, type of thermostat for example, but the old owners to get heating to work, had to go outside, down some steps, and plug in the pump, and there was a base unit for the thermostat, but no thermostat, so selling a house with a heating system which is well under par, was likely why the house seemed cheap.

Likely the low bills are down to using programmable TRV heads, and only heating rooms as and when required, but had we asked for fuel bills they would have likely been very low, as it seems unlikely the central heating was used much, so they would be low.

We now have a split tariff with low overnight charges for electric, and we have seen where hot water is stored, this system is very expensive to install, Torrent pipe example.PNG but my brother-in-law had it in his last house, and the massive storage tanks, I would guess around 200 gallons, did allow use of off-peak electric to heat the house, the storage tank was in fact two tanks, on a reinforced floor to take the weight, his solar was PV only, which heated immersion heaters, he had LPG and a wood burner, and his heating bills were very low, but when he moved to install that system other than when first built, just cost too much.

Again, if he had been asked for the bills, he spent so long with his daughters in Germany, the bill would not have told one the true cost to run it.

If there is room for an LPG tank, then I would make an enquiry on how much to install LPG. Use that as worse case scenario, to get the heating sorted, but electric heating can work, however it would seem there is likely a problem with the electric supply.

I also have a 60 amp supply, I look at my use, and highest use is 00:30 to 03:00 when the off-peak charges my batteries, and I often run things like dishwasher, washing machine, tumble drier and immersion heater. But during the day, the highest use is when having a shower, around the 5 kW used as the inverter can only supply 5 kW, so 8 kW shower is over what the inverter can supply. But the back-ground use is around 400 watt, with spikes when we boil a kettle or cook, so from 05:30 we rarely see any power used from the grid. So not cut and dried that 60 amps is not enough.
 
Thanks for the reply ericmark. He's also got an electric car to charge.
 

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