electric oven fitting

[billwah]

Hi there everyone.

This is my first post so be gentle.

I'm re-furbishing a house that I was previously letting out, and i'm helfway through replacing the kitchen. I've already moved several sockets which I beleive i'm allowed to do, but I wanted to fit the oven myself as its just wired in to a fixed outlet.

My question though is:
Is it cheaper to get an electrician to come do it and get a completion certificate, or do it myself and go through the building inspector route?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

By the way, i'm an aircraft electrical engineer, so this is within my DIY scope.
Thanks,
Billwah

 

[ericmark]

The LABC charges vary in England. In Wales we are all the same last time I looked £100+vat was standard minimum charge. So with work costing £1000 then LABC could work out cheaper route but under £1000 then likely even if it is cheaper just not worth the effort.

 

[billwah]

Thanks for the reply ericmark.

Not sure I understand the reference to the work being over £1000 or not. I'm going to sell the house so will need all my paperwork in place for the kitchen replacement.

You say the local council building inspector will be about £100+vat.

If I get an electrician in, will he do all the work/paperwork in one day? What exactly do I need paperwork-wise from him?

Sorry for the questions, would be a lot simpler if the beaurocrats weren't involved. lol

Billwah

 

[riveralt]

There is nothing to stop you fitting the oven yourself if you are simply replacing one oven for another.
However, should the new oven require its own dedicated circuit back to the Consumer Unit (and one it not already in place) then you would need to either notify the LABC in advance of the work commencing and pay their fee or employed an electrician who is registered with one of the competent persons schemes.

If you do need a new circuit and utilise the services of such an electrician he/she will provide you with the necessary certificates and his/her scheme will provide you with the completion certificate and notify your LABC.

BTW even though you are just moving sockets as they are in the kitchen area I would suggest that this work is notifiable.

 

[flameport]

I've already moved several sockets which I beleive i'm allowed to do,

You can, provided you notify building control first.

Is it cheaper to get an electrician to come do it and get a completion certificate

That isn't how it works.
You can either notify building control and do the work yourself
or
an electrician can do the work and notify via the scheme they belong to.

The point about the works value is that is it clearly not economical to pay building control £100+ for just moving a few sockets. (and in some areas it is a lot more than that)
However if it was a complete rewire or other notifiable works are being done in the building at the same time, a single notification fee will cover the whole lot.

 

[PrenticeBoyofDerry]

This is my first post so be gentle.

go then

I've already moved several sockets which I beleive i'm allowed to do

as this is work has been carried out in the kitchen it is deemed an area that such work is notifiable to building controls.
This can be done by you or by the electrician doing the work, some electrician can self cert were their scheme provider will notify building controls. If you are DIYing it it should be notified prior to you starting work. So if you have not done this you believe wrongly.

I wanted to fit the oven myself as its just wired in to a fixed outlet.

If you intend just to replace the appliance like for like, this can be done without notification. If the circuit is altered in anyway then it becomes notifiable. This includes changing the protective device to one of a different rating.
So you must get an oven that has an output rating suitable for your existing circuit.

My question though is:
Is it cheaper to get an electrician to come do it and get a completion certificate, or do it myself and go through the building inspector route?

It will be cheaper to get an electrician in to do the work.
The charge for applying for notifiable work varies from region to region.
But will likely be in excess of £240.

Electrical Installations
Part P of the Building Regulations requires that all notifiable, domestic electrical installations are
designed and installed to protect people against injury and fire.
Where these works are carried out by an Approved Installer registered under the Government’s
Competent Person Scheme a Building Regulation application is not required.
Where these works are carried out by an installer qualified to inspect and test the work by issuing a
BS7671 certificate, but not registered on a Part P Competent Person Scheme, a Building Regulation
application is required and an administrative fee of £102.50 plus VAT is payable. Proof of qualification
will be required.
Where these works are undertaken by a person who cannot issue BS7671 certification (DIY installation),
a Building Regulation application is required. The Local Authority will arrange for inspection and testing
of the installation and a fee of £500 plus VAT is payable.

http://www.oxford.gov.uk/Direct/BuildingControlNoticeApplicationForm.pdf

 

[billwah]

Thanks for all the replies, looks like I can fit the oven myself then.

I have a heating engineer coming to fit the hob when the worktops are in, I think i'll ask him to get his sparks to come look at the two sockets I moved to see if the work is good and if he can certify it. If not, looks like he'll have to re-do them both.

Have I covered all my bases?

 

[EFLImpudence]

I have a heating engineer coming to fit the hob when the worktops are in

Are you not doing it yourself because it is gas and dangerous?

I think i'll ask him to get his sparks to come look at the two sockets I moved

Will he have one?

to see if the work is good and if he can certify it.

Not allowed to certify other people's work.

If not, looks like he'll have to re-do them both.

Perhaps.

 

[billwah]

Thanks for that EFLImpudence...

that's why i asked!