As you say, 'standby' should not be an issue, particularly for 'modern appliances'. However, as I recently wrote, one cannot (should not) expect to continuously run items of equipment without their consuming a modicum of electricity - in my house, I have things like routers, extenders, network switches, time switches, aerial amplifiers, smoke/heat/CO alarms, clock radios etc. all running 24/7 - and, at night, IRs, intruder alarms
Energy v cost, do people really not know the difference?
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True, my 60w base load, is 1.440kwh per day, when compared to my 7kwh per day total consumption.
Indeed, and more so for quite a lot of others, since your total consumption is quite low compared with many others. As we've been discussing, I think the important thing to realise is that we/you re not talking about 'unnecessary' electricity usage due to items 'on standby' but, rather, to useful/important uses which are a significant component of your usageof electricity.
Very much so, one office block had PIRs fitted in their toilets due to an energy report and their usage went up, quite significantly as the PIRswere several Watts each 24/365 and realistically the lights usage dropped very little due to the frequency of WC visits: https://www.diynot.com/diy/threads/bypassing-delay-switches.578891/page-2#post-5065701 post #21. I showed as 3W each in standby The last one I replaced at home didn't quote a power, I believe it gave it as 4KWh/year which I think came out under 0.5W
.... Indeed. In case it helps you in the future, since 1 W continuous translated to 8.76 kWh/year - so if one very roughly (and 'pessimistically' rounds that up to 10 kWh/year, one ends up with the very easy rule-of-thumb to remember - namely that (consistent with what you write) 1W continuous corresponds to roughly 10 kWh/year.
One of my cousins seems to think of most financial things in terms of the cost of a pint of beer, which I guess is currently around £5. If one assumes that electricity costs, say, 25p per kWh, using the above rule of thumb would, for him, translate to:
The cost of 1 W continuous electricity usage corresponds to roughly half a pint of beer per year
its worth pointing out only new "dumb" items will revert to 0.5w when off
anything with internet or ariel connectivity can use up to perhaps 10w possibly more when recording content or looking for content or connectivity even when no known demands or conexion or recording is required this can include games consoles tvs freeview boxes and many other machines
for example i bought 3 new tvs to act as dumb tvs to play freeview recorder boxes and by fully setting up the tvs for unwanted and unconnected internet they would in use use perhaps 20w frequently rather than say 13w continuous would go up to 20w and when turned off frequently 13 rather than 0.5w
anything with internet or ariel connectivity can use up to perhaps 10w possibly more when recording content or looking for content or connectivity even when no known demands or conexion or recording is required this can include games consoles tvs freeview boxes and many other machines
for example i bought 3 new tvs to act as dumb tvs to play freeview recorder boxes and by fully setting up the tvs for unwanted and unconnected internet they would in use use perhaps 20w frequently rather than say 13w continuous would go up to 20w and when turned off frequently 13 rather than 0.5w
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My TV's offer two modes - full standby at <0.5w, and an instant on mode, where the CPU is running, internet, etc.. It basically just switches audio and screen off. Full standby, can take a minute, before the set is useable.
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I have 10 electronic TRV heads, each uses 2 x AA batteries, which last a year or more. There is no need for items to use a large amount of power, but clearly there are the exceptions.
The Sky+ box (not tested, new box) had to power the LNB to know when there have been changes in program times, so this used a far bit on stand-by, seem to remember around 15 watts.
Mains powered zigbee devices act as a relay, not measured the socket adaptor, but if I want the TRV head to link with the hub, and be able to turn on central heating when wife's bedroom get cold at night, it needs to be powered up. And the two TP-Link hubs, Kasa and Tapo again need to be powered up if the doorbell is going to work.
The whole idea of the hubs, is that the wifi router uses more power to the hubs, and they allow things like the TRV heads to run over a year on a set of batteries.
But some items today really don't need a stand-by mode, the whole idea of a TV on stand-by was the valves were kept warm, or it took 5 minutes to heat up when turned on, but TV's don't use valves any more. So, even with a stand-by mode, there is no need for it to use massive amounts of power.
The light switches from TP-Link (Tapo) use a pair of AAA cells to work the electronics, again they last a year. My test was around the tails into the CU, so thinks could switch on/off while testing, so not accurate, but turning off the lights RCBO reduced power by 0.04 amps, so 9.2 watts, which makes me think there was a light on somewhere. But turning them back on, there was an increase of 0.11 amps, 25.3 watts, where some smart lamps auto turn on after a power cut.
But 192 to 629 watts used overnight, it says I have used 4.2 kWh today, (11:30 am) I have boiled a kettle, my fermenter is sitting on a demo under floor heating tile, on a thermostat to keep it to 20°C, but can't really explain why I have used that much, and at 8.5p/kWh that's 35.7p so why worry?
Indeed. Clocks (as in things like cookers) are the pain, and a serious deterrent to completely switching off some of these things. I would have thought that they really ought to have some battery back-up for the clocks.
Well, 35.7p in 11.5 hours equates to about £272 per year - certainly not a fortune, but ..... !
Edit: important missing digit added!
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I have looked at fitting more sockets in the kitchen, but my wife wants to fit new cupboards etc, and move everything around, she calls it fitting a new kitchen, so I am loathed to fit sockets which could turn out to be in the wrong place, so we have extension leads, to take power to where required, but this means items like the two stacked microwaves are not easy to unplug.
This is the dishwasher, except for August where it was looking at the AC. I think I now have a good idea what a dishwasher costs, so it can be moved to the microwaves, I now have many monitors which can also switch on/off this 
is the outside light on the shed for example, but a power cut of just a minute will turn it off, I only have one which is a monitor only. Plus one which in manual, and does not connect to the PC. Which is a pain as a power cut resets it, the two button cells should hold the data, but they don't seem to last long. Put it on microwave, and set microwave clock, but it shows no stand-by use, it is not enough to register on the energy monitor.
This is the dishwasher, except for August where it was looking at the AC. I think I now have a good idea what a dishwasher costs, so it can be moved to the microwaves, I now have many monitors which can also switch on/off this is the outside light on the shed for example, but a power cut of just a minute will turn it off, I only have one which is a monitor only. Plus one which in manual, and does not connect to the PC. Which is a pain as a power cut resets it, the two button cells should hold the data, but they don't seem to last long. Put it on microwave, and set microwave clock, but it shows no stand-by use, it is not enough to register on the energy monitor.Whoops! I actually made it £272, but my typing fingers disobeyed me and didn't type the final digit. Now corrected. Thanks for noticing!
I don't know where I got 278 from but I make it 285
I don't know where you got either of those figures from
As I said, I got about 272 ...
0.357 / 11.5 x24 x 365 = 271.94 (which I rounded to £272)
I wondered if (easily done!) you had taken 11:30am to be 11.3, rather than the correct 11.5, hours into the day, but that would give about 276.75 !
Oh goodness I did this 0.375/11.5*24*365 and even repeated when it didn't agree with yours
EDIT: I penned that last night, the 0.375 was what I inadvertantly calculated as, the rest of the garbage was crap editting, heaven only knows what was in last nights glass. Hopefully I've corrected the mess
EDIT: I penned that last night, the 0.375 was what I inadvertantly calculated as, the rest of the garbage was crap editting, heaven only knows what was in last nights glass. Hopefully I've corrected the mess
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