doesnt that contradict your claim "most of them arent genuine"You don't have the evidence to prove that hypothesis:
1. We don't know how many make it here and disappear
2. We don't know how many who are accepted have gamed the system
doesnt that contradict your claim "most of them arent genuine"You don't have the evidence to prove that hypothesis:
1. We don't know how many make it here and disappear
2. We don't know how many who are accepted have gamed the system
prior to the rise in Albanians, the majority of the boat arrivals came from: Syria, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Yemen, Eritrea, Somalia -all countries known for war, persecution and human rights abusesFor example we know the criminal gangs are advising their clients to claim asylum due to being trafficked or are in debt to criminal gangs. Both likely to be as a result of coming here illegally, but will give them a strong chance of success.
I dont agree with your figures. But I understand the point of the numbers arriving by boat. Some of which are undoubtedly criminally sourced or motivated.You said : They aren’t.
Which isn’t true. As 1 we rank 4th for having the most illegals living here and 2 we are the 8th most popular destination for asylum claims. Comparison per capita is just a way for pro asylum organisations to push us down the list and make out it’s not all that bad. Cyprus, malta, Luxembourg etc. hardly relevant comparisons.
This wasn't a thing 4 years ago.prior to the rise in Albanians, the majority of the boat arrivals came from: Syria, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Yemen, Eritrea, Somalia -all countries known for war, persecution and human rights abuses
Clearly there is criminal activity and some, like Albanian teenagers are being trafficked into this country and forced into crime.
Nobody on this debate seems to to want to have an honest discussion.
The reality is there are clearly non genuine people arriving, certainly those are likely to be related to crime and there are also lots of genuine asylum seekers.
The right seem to spend their whole time arguing NONE are genuine, they only want to talk about crime, Albanians, scroungers, etc etc.
I don't think its credible to say people who are concerned with illegal immigration by small boat are adopting a right wing narrative and I don't think many believe the Tories are creating a problem to fix. They may be leveraging it to amend the Human Rights Act, but there is no way they would want this level of illegal immigration on their watch. It also has nothing to do with leaving the EU. Are you aware of how many claimants were returned under the Dublin agreements?again you are conflating illegal immigrants with asylum seekers
and you fall into the right wing narrative that there are "relatively few genuine refugees claiming asylum" despite the fact the majority of the nationalities that arrive here are from countries suffering persecution and or war.
You have taken Vinty's comment out of context, It wasnt specifically about numbers:
Vinty said: "Nothing bitter, i just wonder why, if Britain is the economic and social sithole you claim, why are so many foriegners risking their lives in small boats to access the benefits of this country."
They dont come here for benefits, thats not the reason, the vast majority of those claiming asylum want to work. They mostly come here because of the common language and connections either family or friends
illegal immigrants are mostly visa overstayers -non returning students etc.
judging by the fact the home office seems to be letting asylum seekers free to disappear, I would guess we also have a problem with non genuine asylum seekers as well
but that doesnt get away from the fact the majority of those arriving by boat (because the UK has shut off every other route) are genuine claimants.
The biggest problem is a Conservative government that is manufacturing a crisis....so it can ramp up hatred of foreigners.
Virtually everything the Conservatives have done other last 12 years has failed and the only excuse they have left is foreigners.
all the problems the UK had were supposed to have disappeared when we left the EU................
What is that a graph of ? Total arrivals?This wasn't a thing 4 years ago.
What you really mean is you do not knowWe don't know how
Total arrivals in 2019 was less than 1000. ?total people per month. but I have a more up to date chart here with boats and averages. Clearly we have a growing problem. The boats are getting bigger and there are more of them.
Bird brain what do these words meanAnother area of concern is the Irish Republic.
don't care if you believe them or not - they are from the gov site : https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/irregular-migration-to-the-uk-year-ending-december-2021. the side tab shows year to date for '22Total arrivals in 2019 was less than 1000. ?
you will excuse me if I don't believe your figures ?
You made the argument that the acceptance rate proves otherwise, I argued you cannot prove that and you haven't. If a system is being gamed, then the outcome is people who have gamed it benefit. So I can stand by my opinion that genuine claimants arriving by small boat are relatively few.What you really mean is you do not know
have another look at your graph and the figures you claim?This wasn't a thing 4 years ago.
I don't think its credible to say people who are concerned with illegal immigration by small boat are adopting a right wing narrative and I don't think many believe the Tories are creating a problem to fix. They may be leveraging it to amend the Human Rights Act, but there is no way they would want this level of illegal immigration on their watch. It also has nothing to do with leaving the EU. Are you aware of how many claimants were returned under the Dublin agreements?
I looked at your graph. It doesn't show what you claim.I've given you the source - why don't you read it?