Given that it's an open book exam, and 90-odd% of the regs are the same, just renumbered and restructured, if someone is perfectly knowledgeable with the 16th, how hard is it to just sit down and pass the 17th exam?
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Exactly the point BAS..........I've passed the exam now I need to get down to some hard studying to apply the new REgs. I wasn't implying for a minute that as I've passed an exam that I know it. Far from it, that red book gets looked at every night to further my knowledge, and no doubt I'll have my nuts chewed off a few times on this forum for displaying a lack of knowledge about the 17th........however I am making the effort to gain knowledge of the changes
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I know many guys who have the 16th & are full-time sparks, but they don't know the regs inside out.
I also know that all of these guys passed their 17th.
They don't know the new regs inside out, either.
As both exams are open-book, they only really needed to know how to find their way round the book.
I also know that all of these guys passed their 17th.
They don't know the new regs inside out, either.
As both exams are open-book, they only really needed to know how to find their way round the book.
Disagree with you Secure. I don't think you should shut the book just cos passed the exam. Think you need to understand the basics as it is a working document and governs your working practice. Of course no-one will ever know the Regs inside out, but it is important to acquaint yourself with its requirements. A 30min exam doesnt prove you know the Regs..exactly the point I made in my last post. By the way a qualified spark failed the exam I took....how I don't know........but life is full of surprises
I'm not sure anybody is saying 'shut the book' after you've passed.
It'll be constant reference material for quite some time.
It'll be constant reference material for quite some time.
Here's a scenario for you that was brought up in the 17th update. Imagine a new installation where A small bathroom fan is installed in zone 1, it is wired from the lighting circuit which is RCD protected. The fan is IPX4 and suitable for the zone. A double pole isolator is provided and positioned in a suitable position. The impellor jams and a small fire results in damage to stud wall and roof timbers. How was the insurance company able to blame the Spark by quoting the 17th Regs?
Non of us in class came up with the solution.
Non of us in class came up with the solution.
Was the fan installed in accordance with manufacturers instructions? Maybe a 3A fuse required for overload protection.
Sorry - I think I didn't make myself clear.
"how hard is it to just sit down and pass the 17th exam?" was not a rhetorical question - it was a real one, to be read and interpreted just as written.
Just trying to decide if I wanted to sit 2382 whether I could just walk in and do the test, and reasonably expect to pass...
"how hard is it to just sit down and pass the 17th exam?" was not a rhetorical question - it was a real one, to be read and interpreted just as written.
Just trying to decide if I wanted to sit 2382 whether I could just walk in and do the test, and reasonably expect to pass...
Yep, and if you don't follow the MIs you are not complying with the 17th edition regs - see 134.1.1
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BAS you would pass with a bit of study. There are 2 routes: If you got 16th after 2001 you sit the short exam 30Q's in an hour. If you don't fulfill condition 1 then you sit the full 100Q's (think 2hours).
We went to college for 3 evening tutorials and sat the exam 4th night. If you are au fait with the 16th then you need to study the changes listed on Pages 4-6. Read each chapter listed in this precis and understaqnd it, and in my opinion a man of your knowledge will sail it.
The longer exam covers the whole book, the shorter exam only covers the changes P 4-6. All the usual rules apply (tabbing up your regs).
I found the exam very easy and finished in 30mins. I got 28/30........I got 1 wrong for being cocky....but can't think where I went wrong for other.
I answered approx 50% of Q's without opening the book........flagging up all Q's I couldn't answer. Then I was able to spend a lot of time on the Q's I couldn't answer. Found most in about a minute, although 1 did take a full 5 mins on 1 nasty.
BAS you would pass with a bit of study. There are 2 routes: If you got 16th after 2001 you sit the short exam 30Q's in an hour. If you don't fulfill condition 1 then you sit the full 100Q's (think 2hours).
We went to college for 3 evening tutorials and sat the exam 4th night. If you are au fait with the 16th then you need to study the changes listed on Pages 4-6. Read each chapter listed in this precis and understaqnd it, and in my opinion a man of your knowledge will sail it.
The longer exam covers the whole book, the shorter exam only covers the changes P 4-6. All the usual rules apply (tabbing up your regs).
I found the exam very easy and finished in 30mins. I got 28/30........I got 1 wrong for being cocky....but can't think where I went wrong for other.
I answered approx 50% of Q's without opening the book........flagging up all Q's I couldn't answer. Then I was able to spend a lot of time on the Q's I couldn't answer. Found most in about a minute, although 1 did take a full 5 mins on 1 nasty.
There's actually a third route. JIB Gold Card holders can just sit an exam with no study time in class at all.
My employer was pushing me towards this but I felt there would be a benefit for me doing the update course instead of just an exam.
My employer was pushing me towards this but I felt there would be a benefit for me doing the update course instead of just an exam.
Anybody can book the exam direct with C&G without any course or study time, and just turn up at the exam centre at the appointed time.
I was just going off the 2382 pack we received from the ECA.
I assume it would be the full 60 questions for people just sitting the exam?
I assume it would be the full 60 questions for people just sitting the exam?
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