Fatalities due to electrical home accidents in Great Britain

[bernardgreen]

Do these figure relate to all electrical related deaths or only those from electrocution.

Defective electrics can cause accidents where death occurs due to a fall or other injury that was an indirect result of the electrical fault.

 

[dingbat]

Lies, damned lies, etc...

Without knowing the actual cause in each case and whether that was down to faulty work, no conclusions can be drawn. And, in any case, it's such a small number as to be almost insignificant.

And for the Part P naysayers you can't have it both ways; that is, you can't claim that nobody has heard of it then attribute accidents to people trying to avoid it.

(Part P, by the way, applies to all electrical installation work in dwellings. One way of complying is to work to BS 7671.)

 

[Stoday]

Neither part P nor BS7671 are retrospective. They only apply to new installations. You don't have to bring your old installation up to standard.

The point is that the number of installations to which part P applies is less than 2% of the total. Even if, as a result of the introduction of part P there were no accidents associated with these installations, you can't expect to see any reduction in the total for a number of years.

 

[ColJack]

Neither part P nor BS7671 are retrospective.
They only apply to new installations. You don't have to bring your old installation up to standard.

not true..
whilst you don't have to keep up with the regs every time they bring out an update, if you do any work in a domestic installation, it then needs to comply with building regs and BS7671.. that's why you have to check and fix main bonding and so on..

 

[ebee]

Neither part P nor BS7671 are retrospective.
They only apply to new installations. You don't have to bring your old installation up to standard.

not true..
whilst you don't have to keep up with the regs every time they bring out an update, if you do any work in a domestic installation, it then needs to comply with building regs and BS7671.. that's why you have to check and fix main bonding and so on..

No the quote is true, you don`t have to bring your installation itself up to standard EXCEPT in respect of any new additions/alterations must comply and that might well mean if you add a light or socket to a circuit you might have to correct the circuit itself to comply and you might have to do the main bonding and possibly tails but other circuits not touched might still not comply

 

[Stoday]

if you do any work in a domestic installation, it then needs to comply with building regs and BS7671..

Would you quote where it says this because I don't believe you?

Only the new installation (or the new bit of it) has to comply, not the existing one.

 

[ColJack]

you have to issue a cert for work done..

in order to issue a cert you have to test the parts you've done and inspect the install.

any deviations from the regs must be noted and anything deemed dangerous needs to be put right....

 

[ebee]

Strictly speaking.
Part P of the Building Regs - which IS the law
does not require BS7671 (The IEE Wiring regs) - which is NOT the law.
Approved Document P - which is NOT the law but merely guidance does suggest one way of acheiving safety and complying with Part P would be to follow BS7671 OR any similar standard by a European State (But does not actually preclude following say Australlian, American, New Zealand, South African etc etc Regs) .
Complicated innit?
The easy answer is to follow our Regs for umpteens of reasons although it`s not actually compulsory it would probably be daft (and risky) not to do so.

 

[Taylortwocities]

Polish regs too it would seem

 

[ebee]

LOL
Yes

 

[the trician]

So just WHERE does the LAW say that your LABC MUST be notified?

What part of the Statutory Instrument?

Care to post a link?

 

[Taylortwocities]

See statutory document P para 0.6 'Notification'

Notification of work
0.6 The requirements apply to all electrical
installation work.
When necessary to involve building control
bodies
0.7 Except in the circumstances outlined in
paragraph 0.8 below, notification of proposals to
carry out electrical installation work must be given
to a building control body before work begins.

When not necessary to involve building control
bodies
0.8 It is not necessary to give prior
notification of proposals to carry out electrical
installation work to building control bodies in
the following circumstances:
a. The proposed installation work is
undertaken by a person2 who is a
competent person registered with an
electrical self-certification scheme
authorised by the Secretary of State.
In these cases the person is
responsible for ensuring compliance
with BS 7671: 2001 and all relevant
Building Regulations. On completion
of the work, the person ordering the
work should receive a signed Building
Regulations self-certification
certificate, and the relevant building
control body should receive a copy of
the information on the certificate. The
person ordering the work should also
receive a duly completed Electrical
Installation Certificate as or similar to
the model in BS 76713 (see
paragraphs 1.6 to 1.12). As required
by BS 7671, the certificate must be
made out and signed by the
competent person or persons who
carried out the design, construction, etc etc its all there

 

[the trician]

You have quoted from the Approved Document - which is for guidance only and which has no legal status.

Where does it state that notification is a legal requirement in the STATUTORY INSTRUMENT?

 

[ColJack]

Statutory Instrument 2004 No. 3210
The Building (Amendment) (No.3) Regulations 2004

regulation 12 of the principal regulations is ammended by this amendment to include a list of building works that do NOT require to be notified.. ergo anything not listed is notifiable..

 

[barch]

More people die on the roads in the UK every day. Not one of these people with charred fingers didnt know beforehand that "ELECTRICITY IS DANGEROUS". I'm all for make everything 100% clear on how to do things, but, there does seem to be too much red tape involved. I read they wanted to get deaths down to 3 a year. So all the regulations and additional work for 6-7 deaths a year less. A few of these guys will find another way to knock themselves of this mortal coil anyway

Just a thought