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Chicken, they are not designed to be used as anything other than decorative lighting, they are not suitable for use in a bathroom despite the fact they can be used on decking.
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Ah - I see - it's one of those PSUs built into a plugtop, doesn't have a flying lead from which you could have cut off the plug.
It doesn't matter whether the current draw is 2A or 2nA, you can't put a socket on a lighting circuit.
You have 2 options.
1) Plug it into the ring mains
2) Find an alternative PSU which does have a plug and flying lead, remove the plug and wire that via an FCU on the lighting circuit.
But in any event, why do you think your light switches are not up to the task of switching a 2A load? They should be. I take it, BTW, that you meant one side of a 2-gang switch, not 2-way?
It doesn't matter whether the current draw is 2A or 2nA, you can't put a socket on a lighting circuit.
You have 2 options.
1) Plug it into the ring mains
2) Find an alternative PSU which does have a plug and flying lead, remove the plug and wire that via an FCU on the lighting circuit.
It's bad practice to have two different circuits present at the same accessory, as there's the danger that someone might turn one off, and then think it safe to work on the switch, or whatever, not realising there are still live wires there. I don't think it's actually against the regs, but I might be wrong.
But in any event, why do you think your light switches are not up to the task of switching a 2A load? They should be. I take it, BTW, that you meant one side of a 2-gang switch, not 2-way?
Nothing to do with current - I thought that the mere presence of BS1363 socket outlets on lighting circuits was verboten.plugwash said:
No?
Err - that's just what I said:plugwash said:
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Why wouldn't a 12V light with an IP suitable for outdoors be OK for a bathroom?FWL_Engineer said:
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ban-all-sheds said:
Let me qualify my comment a bit better then. The BS that these lights will be manufactured to will be different to that used for electrical safety in a bathroom.
Further, the BS that coveres these lights does so on the premise that they will be used a "decorative light for infrequent use", installing them for permanent use in the floor of a bathroom was not something that would have been covered by the BSi when certifying these lights.
The fact of the matter is the Tx is one incorporated into a BS1363 plug, therefore it is wholly unsuitable for installation in a bathroom.
Here is a quote form the item description in the link supplied by chicken
Now if these are meant to be used OUTDOORS, why do they have a transformer rated for indoor use only? Why is the Tx not a seperate item that the lead plugs into?
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Breezer, that would be the ideal type of light for what chicken is proposing. These are designed for the environment concerned, designed for permanent installation and actually look quite good too
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I have installed a raft of external SELV gear (mostly lighting) that has an indoor transformer. It sounds crazy, but it's true. Searchlight do a lot of stuff where the tx is not IP rated for ext use. They supply extension leads to make the secondary cable longer!!
I have installed a raft of external SELV gear (mostly lighting) that has an indoor transformer. It sounds crazy, but it's true. Searchlight do a lot of stuff where the tx is not IP rated for ext use. They supply extension leads to make the secondary cable longer!!
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securespark said:
Well that is just blooming crazy and needs to be addressed by the IEE and BSi. That is just asking for people to get confused and make cock-ups.
Quick question,
Can I use a double backbox, with two separate switch plates attached, a light switch, and a fused switch.
All I have to do then is make the existing hole in the wall bigger.
The light switch will be fed from the lighting circuit, and the separate fused switch from the ring main, that way both circuits will be kept separate.
(The walls Lath & Plaster so attacthing completly new and separate back box is going to be a nightmare)
Can I use a double backbox, with two separate switch plates attached, a light switch, and a fused switch.
All I have to do then is make the existing hole in the wall bigger.
The light switch will be fed from the lighting circuit, and the separate fused switch from the ring main, that way both circuits will be kept separate.
(The walls Lath & Plaster so attacthing completly new and separate back box is going to be a nightmare)
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Chicken said:
It is called ELECTRICAL SEPERATION OF CIRCUITS.
Circuits should not be shared in the way you are advocating as a fault on one can easily cause a fault, and potentially dangerous occurance, on the other.
If you choose to supply the floor lights from a spur via the ring, then it must be switched seperatly from the main light, which is on a different circuit completely.
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