If you have a heat only boiler, does the pump etc have to be in the airing cupboard near the cylinder? Thats where the first installer was suggesting to put it, which Im personally not sure of given the airing cupboard is in our bedroom, so any noise from it would be an issue at night.
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The cylinder cupboard is the normal location but certainly not the only choice if you have other spaces.
It's normal to turn the heating off at night and have it come on in the morning an hour before you get up.
It's normal to turn the heating off at night and have it come on in the morning an hour before you get up.
Yep we could turn it off, but if running weather compensation etc I assumed the idea would be to leave it on 24/7 and maybe set overnight temps a bit lower on the programmable stat, to ensure the house doesn't cool down too much?
With our existing system we ran it 24/7 last winter with a programmable stat switching to a higher temperature in the mornings and early evening, it rarely if ever came on overnight but would sometimes wakes us up when the stat switched to the higher temp to warm the house before we get up. Thats primarily noise from the pump floating in the middle of a pipe run vibrating, so if it was better positioned / mounted it wouldnt do that, but that's currently in the side of the fireplace below our bedroom, not in the airing cupboard in the same room.
With our existing system we ran it 24/7 last winter with a programmable stat switching to a higher temperature in the mornings and early evening, it rarely if ever came on overnight but would sometimes wakes us up when the stat switched to the higher temp to warm the house before we get up. Thats primarily noise from the pump floating in the middle of a pipe run vibrating, so if it was better positioned / mounted it wouldnt do that, but that's currently in the side of the fireplace below our bedroom, not in the airing cupboard in the same room.
That is true I was forgetting the weather compensation and the night set-back.
Nearly all heating noises are self inflicted by poor design, Undersize pipes, Pressure differential in trvs to high because no by-pass has been fitted, pump speeds set too high, pipe supports missing, sleeving through walls, notches in joist etc too tight etc etc, all can be avoided
Nearly all heating noises are self inflicted by poor design, Undersize pipes, Pressure differential in trvs to high because no by-pass has been fitted, pump speeds set too high, pipe supports missing, sleeving through walls, notches in joist etc too tight etc etc, all can be avoided
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Reading this I can't quite understand why the OP doesn't want a combi which sounds perfect for his requirements.
Great advice BTW DIA
i would agree. Modern combi's have come along way over the last few years.
Reading this I can't quite understand why the OP doesn't want a combi which sounds perfect for his requirements.
Great advice BTW DIA
i would agree. Modern combi's have come along way over the last few years.
I hear it almost every time I quote. " I don't want a combi ,the hot water is rubbish!" says the guy with a combination hot water cylinder in a one bed flat with a 1800X800 steel bath. Or the punter who tells you that 'combis are carp,my mate's mum's sister has one and it takes her ages,at least ten minutes, to run a bath'.
Had one old guy who insisted he didn't want a combi because he wanted stored hot water 'just in case'. He had two hot water taps in the house,a basin tap and sink tap in the kitchen.
Reading this I can't quite understand why the OP doesn't want a combi which sounds perfect for his requirements.
Great advice BTW DIA
i would agree. Modern combi's have come along way over the last few years.
I still wouldn't have one unless it something like the Atmos InterCombi, now that is a nice bit of kit according to my mate, who fit very little else.
that'll be me, then
The reasons we don't want a combi are:
1) The main one the missus doesn't like them is waiting longer for hot water to run and having another slug of cold water if you shut off then decide to run the hot tap again (to top up the washing up bowl or warm the bath water again after being in there for a while for example). I know some combis have warm start functionality to minimise that but its going to use more gas I assume.
2) No HW in reserve if the power fails (Im assuming combis won't fire in a power cut?). We've had issues in our area with sub stations blowing and on 2 occasions in the last 4 years have not had power for 12hr+
3) No emersion backup if the boiler/gas supply fails.
4) Losing the airing cupboard functionality, although we could install a small rad in place of the tank I guess, to keep the cupboard warm.
1) The main one the missus doesn't like them is waiting longer for hot water to run and having another slug of cold water if you shut off then decide to run the hot tap again (to top up the washing up bowl or warm the bath water again after being in there for a while for example). I know some combis have warm start functionality to minimise that but its going to use more gas I assume.
2) No HW in reserve if the power fails (Im assuming combis won't fire in a power cut?). We've had issues in our area with sub stations blowing and on 2 occasions in the last 4 years have not had power for 12hr+
3) No emersion backup if the boiler/gas supply fails.
4) Losing the airing cupboard functionality, although we could install a small rad in place of the tank I guess, to keep the cupboard warm.
I've had combi boilers in the past three houses I've lived in over the past 16 years and I have to be honest and say I've had no problems at all with any of them.
One was a Vokera flowmatic which was 13 year old when I left, WB 35 CDi (SE) and the one I have now is a Sabre 35 HE that cost £549 and has been fitted now for over two and half years.
One was a Vokera flowmatic which was 13 year old when I left, WB 35 CDi (SE) and the one I have now is a Sabre 35 HE that cost £549 and has been fitted now for over two and half years.
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My old boiler failed in June. No problem, I have an immersion heater.
I had plenty of time to decide what I wanted, get a couple of quotes, have it installed, wait for the installer to come back from his hols, draw some money out of the savings account, start remodelling the kitchen.
If I'd been on a Combi it would have been a calamity.
When we had a water main burst, I had 75 gallons up in the loft, and a cylinder full of hot water. My neighbour had to wash and shave with what was left in his kettle.
When we get a power fauilure. I have a cylinderful of hot water which stays hot for more than 24 hours.
No combi for me!
I had plenty of time to decide what I wanted, get a couple of quotes, have it installed, wait for the installer to come back from his hols, draw some money out of the savings account, start remodelling the kitchen.
If I'd been on a Combi it would have been a calamity.
When we had a water main burst, I had 75 gallons up in the loft, and a cylinder full of hot water. My neighbour had to wash and shave with what was left in his kettle.
When we get a power fauilure. I have a cylinderful of hot water which stays hot for more than 24 hours.
No combi for me!
Hear all of these concerns nearly every single day but frankly they are not really valid IMO.
WB wireless stats (DT10 RF and DT20RF)can programme the preheat facillity for up to three times a day ensure maximum efficiency on the hot water side and these boilers (Greenstar CDis) also condense on the hot water mode however your demand for hot hoter is not excessive.
Losing power/water gas/electric is no big deal IMO .I mean we live in a civilised society how big a deal is it to be without heating or hot water for twelve hours every two years?
I've never been without any of those for more than 4 hrs in almost 30 years of married life and in any event all boilers rely on those three to work and if you have an electric shower,which you have then,you don't need an immersion heater and a 30 gallon hot water tank being constantly heating costing you an arm and a leg in the process 'just in case' do you?
Re,number four heating a small cupboard to dry clothes costs money and wastes energy and incourages damp so you will require some for of ventilation and all of this because you don't want a combi?
Drag yourself into the 21st century,you'll love it when you get there
Yeah I know,venturis! Anyway I'll just pull it out and stick in a 42 CDi, I've had my money's worth out of the Sabre to be honest even after only 50 odd months
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