Flag dynamics

[morqthana]

morqthana hates people with

Which was why I originally began this thread, in this section, rather than GD - simply to have a bit of a technical discussion about how flags appear to automatically untangle themselves in the wind, when you might expect them to increasingly tangle themselves.

That makes no sense whatsoever.

"I hate people with Harry Bloomfield"?

"I hate people with which was why I originally began this thread, in this section, rather than GD - simply to have a bit of a technical discussion about how flags appear to automatically untangle themselves in the wind, when you might expect them to increasingly tangle themselves."

You seem so unable to string two thoughts together which are related in any way, or to use even the tiniest amount of intellectual rigour in your posts, that I do sometimes wonder if it's worth asking you anything. But...

Go on then - tell me who or what I hate, AND BE ABLE TO PROVE IT.

 

[morqthana]

Thousands have gathered in central London for a march organised by far-right activist Tommy Robinson, with a counter protest by anti-racism campaigners also taking place.

There were a mix of slogans on the flags including 'Stop the Boats', 'Send them Home' and 'Unite the Kingdom,' and anti-transgender activists are among the crowds.

The rally is set to include speeches from US President Donald Trump's former strategist Steve Bannon and presenter Katie Hopkins.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

Go on then - tell me who or what I hate, AND BE ABLE TO PROVE IT.

I don't have to prove anything whatsoever, to you or anyone else, in an internet forum - so stop demanding. You, and certain others in this forum, habitually make a point of diverting every single thread, to your own argumentative, often as not, political purposes, whilst hiding behind a keyboard. I began this thread, intended as a simple technical observation in regard to a flag, any flag, no particular flag at all. I began it in this section so to try to avoid, the mess that the GD section has become.

Just to remind you - I put you on 'ignore' (and others) posts long ago, for those very reasons. Many of those I have put on ignore, do seem in desperate need of physiatric attention, desperately jealous individuals, individuals with such twisted logic, desperate to be heard, unable to conduct a gentlemanly discussion.

"I hate people with which was why I originally began this thread, in this section, rather than GD - simply to have a bit of a technical discussion about how flags appear to automatically untangle themselves in the wind, when you might expect them to increasingly tangle themselves." Some of us, have other things happening in our lives, beyond an internet forum. I was at the time of typing that, obviously not entirely concentrating on what I was typing.

 

[Odds]

Which was why I originally began this thread, in this section, rather than GD - simply to have a bit of a technical discussion about how flags appear to automatically untangle themselves in the wind, when you might expect them to increasingly tangle themselves.

Maybe then you should've put it in Gen. DIY, as your question appears to relate to how wind force affects movement of an object.

 

[EFLImpudence]

None of those flags seems to be twisting around the pole.

 

[ebee]

How does one go about becoming Chinese - or Irish for that matter?

Well to become Chinese they just make a habit of wearing a hat that looks like a lampshade and they are half way there!

 

[SUNRAY]

Oh my goodness, I've just realised something; my local footbal club had a home game during the week so I left their flag flying while I was away for a few days. My poles are basically a couple of inches into the ground and tied to the concrete fence post at 6ft, there is also a shrub which has grown to be substantial against the pole and quite effectively holding it in place

When I changed the flag to a St George for the weekend events I found the cord holding the pole was missing, it was definitely there last Sunday when I changed the flags.
I assumed it had abraded through against the sharp edge and fallen. I didn't think too much about it as the rope/pulley had worn and jammed and concentrated on getting the pole down to effect a repair. I really hope not but suddenly it makes me wonder if it was sabotage as I haven't seen the damaged cord.

I've got to the bottom of this one, those bl oo dy RWES get everywhere.

My neighbour over the road has CCTV which is set to just include the top of my fence and last Wednesday as bold as brass 11:09 a RWES destroyed the bit of cord and ran away when the pole jumped. The RWES returned at 11:17 to continue to tamper with the cord and scamper off with it.

 

[morqthana]

I don't have to prove anything whatsoever, to you or anyone else, in an internet forum - so stop demanding.

I wasn't "demanding" or even asking anything of you. I was replying to aveatry who said I hate people with... and then nothing which made any sense as something someone could have which would lead me to hate them.

You, and certain others in this forum, habitually make a point of diverting every single thread, to your own argumentative, often as not, political purposes, whilst hiding behind a keyboard.

I'm usually in front of a keyboard when I'm using it.

But on a serious note, flag-flying in this country has acquired a political purpose, whether you like that or not. We don't have a tradition of doing it like they do in the USA. And again, like it or not, that political purpose is to advance right-wing views.

Pointing that out, when somebody else had already raised the question of why fly a flag is not diverting the thread.

42 per cent of people believe that those "flying the flag" are making a political statement against immigrants.

Many of those I have put on ignore, do seem in desperate need of physiatric attention, desperately jealous individuals, individuals with such twisted logic, desperate to be heard, unable to conduct a gentlemanly discussion.

Gentlemanly discussion, eh?

It might be a good idea, for you to leave the UK, and go live in Palestine!

Does a "gentlemanly discussion" include saying things which aren't true?

He's displaying the flag of a proscribed terrorist organisation in this country, the United Kingdom.

you have wrongly identified me as an extreme right wing fascist

"I hate people with which was why I originally began this thread, in this section, rather than GD - simply to have a bit of a technical discussion about how flags appear to automatically untangle themselves in the wind, when you might expect them to increasingly tangle themselves." Some of us, have other things happening in our lives, beyond an internet forum. I was at the time of typing that, obviously not entirely concentrating on what I was typing.

You did not type everything between those quotation marks, nor did I suggest that you did.

What you wrote

"which was why I originally began this thread, in this section, rather than GD - simply to have a bit of a technical discussion about how flags appear to automatically untangle themselves in the wind, when you might expect them to increasingly tangle themselves."

made perfect sense.

What didn't make any sense was aveatry saying that I hate people with "which was why I originally began this thread, in this section, rather than GD - simply to have a bit of a technical discussion about how flags appear to automatically untangle themselves in the wind, when you might expect them to increasingly tangle themselves."

And as per above, it was aveatry I was talking to.

 

[SUNRAY]

42 per cent of people believe that those "flying the flag" are making a political statement against immigrants.

But your biased comment failed to mention : 41 per cent of people believe that those "flying the flag" are NOT making a political statement against immigrants.

Nor did you mention it is a sample of only 2043 people or 0.003% of UK population (some poll services use sample size of 5000 or even 10000 as a mimimum to qualify as nationwide representation)

 

[ebee]

Yes I must admit it was Avatreaty I thought you was talking to not Harry about this one.

 

[morqthana]

But your biased comment failed to mention : 41 per cent of people believe that those "flying the flag" are NOT making a political statement against immigrants.

How can it be biased to quote a fact from a poll?

I was pointing out that I am not an outlier when I say that outside of sporting events etc, flying the Union or English flag has become an expression of xenophobia. Of course not everybody thinks that, and political leanings affect whether they do, or not, precisely because it is a political issue - that's the whole point. The poll also says "Reform voters are the most likely to believe those putting up flags are doing so out of pride (53 per cent) rather than a statement against immigrants (40 per cent).".

But then Reform voters are more inclined to think that xenophobia/racism/Islamophobia etc are "British Values" to be proud of.

Nor did you mention it is a sample of only 2043 people or 0.003% of UK population (some poll services use sample size of 5000 or even 10000 as a mimimum to qualify as nationwide representation)

That changed

Nor did you mention it is a sample of only 2043 people (some poll services use sample size of 2000 as a mimimum to qualify as nationwide representation)

I didn't see the sample size (and couldn't find it after looking).

 

[SUNRAY]

How can it be biased to quote a fact from a poll?

I was pointing out that I am not an outlier when I say that outside of sporting events etc, flying the Union or English flag has become an expression of xenophobia. Of course not everybody thinks that, and political leanings affect whether they do, or not, precisely because it is a political issue - that's the whole point. The poll also says "Reform voters are the most likely to believe those putting up flags are doing so out of pride (53 per cent) rather than a statement against immigrants (40 per cent).".

But then Reform voters are more inclined to think that xenophobia/racism/Islamophobia etc are "British Values" to be proud of.

Your whole comment in this thread is based around the opinion that the flags have been hijacked against immigrants - not going into detail but making generalisations.
Making the statement: 42 per cent of people believe that those "flying the flag" are making a political statement against immigrants. and it is a statement as it has been changed from the original link wording certainly seems to imply it's a majority or a major part of the survey whereas 41% didn't agree, without knowing the exact numbers polling that can be no more that about 20 difference (allowing for the 16% of DKs) so hardly major.

That changed

Yes it did, years ago I had a little dealings with polls, the 2 services I had detial of used 2000, searching after I made that statement highlighted the fact I may be out of date so I made the amendment.

I didn't see the sample size (and couldn't find it after looking).

oh dear, I thought with your attention to detail that wouldn't have been a difficult thing to do

 

[Odds]

Yes I must admit it was Avatreaty I thought you was talking to not Harry about this one.

*snigger*

 

[morqthana]

Your whole comment in this thread is based around the opinion that the flags have been hijacked against immigrants - not going into detail but making generalisations.
Making the statement: 42 per cent of people believe that those "flying the flag" are making a political statement against immigrants. and it is a statement as it has been changed from the original link wording

This is the paragraph I quoted from

And I wrote '42 per cent of people believe that those "flying the flag" are making a political statement against immigrants.'

certainly seems to imply it's a majority or a major part of the survey

No, it implies that 42% think that those "flying the flag" are making a political statement against immigrants.

And it shows, that, no matter how much you wish to deny it, that that view is widely held.

oh dear, I thought with your attention to detail that wouldn't have been a difficult thing to do

 

[SUNRAY]