Flamingo seals?

[JohnD]

No, not an unusual combination in the water-feature of a zoo

My Flamingo has benn condemned today the BG engineer put a sniffer round the seals at the bottom of the ?galvanised? hood above the black cast iron exchanger, and tells me they are leaking at the bottom corners, and the seals are asbestos and unobtainable.

Much gloom at the idea of putting my hand in my pocket.

Any comments?

 

[AlanE]

Which Flamingo? Model & G.C. Number?

 

[grahamderek]

More BG lies.
Asbestos rope (which does not contain asbestos nowadays) is freely available in 2 sizes, as is the glue to hold it in place.
A simple repair for any honest gas engineer.

 

[JohnD]

Which Flamingo? Model & G.C. Number?

It's a Flamingo 50. the black cast-iron part inside has 1980 cast into it. Don't know what a GC is

 

[namsag]

Being wall mounted and potteron it will be 41-601- and then poss 43 . data badge is either on front combustion cover or in the brown tray at bottom.
This is one of those jobs they may say manufacturers only stipulate there parts but that is complete nonsense, did he even try and clamp seal more by tightening nuts on the bar that holds canopy in place . Also up untill a few years ago it was perfectly acceptable to seal any gaps with kos(fire cement) . Iknow what i would be doing if it was my boiler

 

[JohnD]

no, he didn't try to fix it. I got the impression he was quite pleased to be able to condemn it. Before he started he was telling me how old it was and was due for replacement and would save energy.

It is an old installation and he pointed out that the flue was too near a window.

I am in PO9

edited: I just pulled the brown cover off, and there is an aluminium plate saying "GTC 24612" under the thermostat spindle.

 

[namsag]

Flue is just NCS (not to current standard) if less than 600mm to opening . And that is not a cut off. If you are certain they never tried tightening the nuts i would kick up shi#e and tell them to get back out also asbestos type rope is held at NPC and should be on there laptop.
I would say your being set up

 

[seco services]

JohnD thought you would of known better than bg

 

[AlanE]

Two versions of the Flamingo 50.

The Flamingo 50: Has square box style flue hood. Vertical front face. This has 12mm rope seal between heat exchanger and flue hood. Easily replaceable.

The Flamingo Mk.2: Flue hood has sloping front with inspection panel. This has a flat gasket. I would have thought tightening the securing nuts would achieve tightness.

Original no longer available but easily fabricated using correct grade gasket material.

 

[JohnD]

I think the flue hood was square, box-like, I didn't notice a window (haven't opened cover yet). He cut the gas supply pipe and put a stop-end on it as he said the gastap was leaky.

I have now found "41.601.14" on a label in the brown tray.

Edited: I will post a pic of the staining round the leak later

 

[tonybhoy]

You can of course seal the leak with fire cement or similar but the boiler manufacturer will tell you that they don't recommend or advise that so you go ahead anyway and then there is a CO incident and someone is poisoned or worse as a result of your actions and you are completely on your own.

Wouldn't be me.

The boiler is 28 years old and is now due for replacement. There is no justification for trying to keep it going any longer,IMO.

I was at a job the other day fitting a gas hob for a new kitchen. Lovely house,brand new bathroom too which must have cost well over £6K and a really nice two year old Lexus sitting outside however lurking in the garage was a 30 year old OF Vulcan Continental so naturally when I turned off the gas to do a TT the pilot went out on the boiler.

I was ages trying to get it to relight and the customer,slightly anxious,said we would like to 'just keep it going for a wee while longer' to which I replied "it must be costing you a fortune in gas?".

The look on his face was a picture

 

[namsag]

Out of interest tonyboy can you tell me why kos will fail on a flue like this, is this not what is used to seal an open flue to the appliance spigot and is the recognised and perfectly acceptable legal method and an open flued boiler can be far more dangerous than a balanced flue boiler.
Or is it a manufacturers excuse to hopefully get more appliance sales

 

[tonybhoy]

Out of interest tonyboy can you tell me why kos will fail on a flue like this, is this not what is used to seal an open flue to the appliance spigot and is the recognised and perfectly acceptable legal method and an open flued boiler can be far more dangerous than a balanced flue boiler.
Or is it a manufacturers excuse to hopefully get more appliance sales

Don't disagree with you but the bottom line is that if the seals are no longer available from the manufacturer ,who only recommends their own seals,and you fit something like Kos and it subsequently fails then you are up **** creek without a paddle if there is an 'incident'.

In any event the boiler is at least 28 year old and is now due for replacement because it is now ID or at best AR.

I would certainly condemn it . The BG guy is doing the OP a favour,IMO.

Regards,

Tony.

 

[HarrogateGas]

The BG guy is doing the OP a favour,IMO.

Regards,

Tony.

Do me a favour and give me your wallet will you!!

 

[JohnD]

Here is the old girl with her top off

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and I suppose this is a rope seal?

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here is the black mark

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I don't want to bodge it up, but it would be nice to know if a qualified person can put it back into working order with a new mineral rope

Edited:
It appears to be:
5 65063701 Rope ceramic cable 12mm x 1m lg 1 336662 per metre
although on the vertical joint of that hood it seems to be
4 650212 Asbestos rope 10mm dia x 580mm 1 per metre