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Gas vs Electric Oven - Gas vs Electric hob

Discussion in 'Plumbing and Central Heating' started by boolie, 8 Apr 2021 at 10:25 AM.

  1. boolie

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    We're on the market for a new hob and oven - our old one is all gas.

    There's a lot of leccy ones on the market so was wondering if they are better nowadays? btw the appropriate cooker wiring is already in place if we want to switch to electric (6mm cable with a 45A MCB)

    Also, what would you recommend for a hob and oven? we're looking for a standard size 4 hob burner and a standard size oven that goes underneath it.
     
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    My Neff Domino hobs and oven have given 10 years trouble free service

    One 2 ring Gas and one 2 ring Induction

    Circothem oven
     
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    Remember that many gas hobs today have very poor control due to the fact that the gas taps are designed to operate with gas from all over Europe at different pressures.
    So although the control might rotate 45 degrees you may find the max to min gas rate is only a narrow band of movement.

    Avoid gas ovens especially those with integral grills...they often block with grease.
     
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    always cooked on gas, recent move to an all electric free standing oven/hob - we changed to a 5 ring gas hob, AEG - excellent product and have 2 NEF electric ovens , wanted the sliding hiding door
    Electric is a lot more per Kwh than gas
    I'm paying just under 3p per KWh (+18p day rate) for gas and just under 17p per KWh (+17p day rate) for Electric
    So running gas should be a lot cheaper
    But the real decision was preference to cook with gas hob, my ex wife always had electric hob only - pays your money take you choice really
     
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    Gas hobs waste a lot of heat that goes up and around the pan.

    Electric induction hobs waste very little heat as the base of the pan is the heating "element" in direct contact with the food / water in the pan.
     
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  7. boolie

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    that's interesting - the consensus seems to be a gas hob and an electric oven. Love the NEFF sliding door design - but the difference in price makes my eyes water!
     
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    I'm guessing you're a pro. The highlighted bit above is very interesting; is there a brand that designs specifically for the UK market?
     
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    I can only go by inspecting 1000s of hobs/cookers dating back 50 years...some of the old Hotpoint hobs have an almost precision gas control by todays standards...and that is due to the gas taps/burners being designed only for 20mbar methane and not a "universal" pressure and methane/lpg etc assortment.

    Neff aren't all that...remember that only the very high end models will be German manufactured from German parts....but a lot of the Bosch/Neff hobs are really Italian underneath (and no doubt from the China plant )....have a look at the burners in the showroom and you'll often find Sabaf.
     
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    My Neff does NOT (edit) have that but then I do have plenty of space in my kitchen

    ( why does my keyboard not accept the word NOT )
     
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    I see your point - I've had a look at the top google results and they all seem to cater for LPG as well nowadays. So, they've sacrificed precise control of the flame to satisfy the global market - all singing all dancing gas hobs. Unfortunately you cant get one any more that only sings one song (but perfectly so!)
     
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    Very true and this is the major problem with gas, both oven and hob need ventilation, so they put moisture in the room and heat in the room, the cooker hood can remove some combustion products and some of the heat, but kitchens with gas appliances can be really hot in summer, and in winter the use of the cooker hood can also mean cold drafts.

    Since gas around ½ or less the cost of electric there is little direct saving using electric, however with the old electric ring the electric hob was slower, but that is no longer the case, with the induction hob electric is far faster.

    The other is control, an induction hob can be used direct to melt chocolate, no double pan with water, can be used direct, it can both turn down lower and turn up higher than gas, plus loads of safety features, auto turns off when pan removed, auto times out if left on, child locks, however my grand children seem to think it is funny to put on child lock as wife can't work out how to remove it.

    The oven on mine has 12 options, with or without fan, side heat, top heat, back heat, and mine does not have steam, it has returned to what was normal with a solid fuel oven where setting the dampers would change what was heated, the problem is Mrs Beeton's cook book was re-written for gas, and the damper settings for use of oven removed, so one has an all singing dancing oven, but only the manufacturers instructions on how to use it. So it involves some learning, we found closed door grilling was great, the fan means under the food is still cooking, so where with normal grill continually moving the food, with closed door turn food once.

    Clearly gas ovens produce water as the gas burns so the food is more moist, but you can get steam option, and no way to get around the fact using a wok you really need gas, as a electric wok is too heavy.

    We found a problem with pans, we thought a stainless steel pressure cooker would work, but no, does not matter if steel or copper, the base must be magnetic, the replacement pressure cooker did work, but we found the pressure had changed, old one 15 PSI and new one 6 PSI we did not even realise there were different pressures.

    Biggest fault with mothers was touch controls, ours has knobs so great, but like gas you don't need to lift a pan with an induction hob, control is instant turn it off and heating stops, but if you need to repeatedly touch some touch control then all you have gained is lost, the touch control with halogen hobs was good as wipe clean, but the induction surface does not get red hot like the halogen, so food does not bake on if spilt, so no longer a need for touch controls.

    We got the induction for mother for safety, the hob is heating by pan, not other way around, so if you touch the hob it is not that hot, so any burn is not as serious, however she was in a wheel chair, so viewing the touch controls from a lower angle, and we realised she could not see where the controls were. We had to remove the induction due to her having a very old pace maker which may have been affected with an induction hob, 4 weeks latter she had a new pace maker fitted and we could have kept the induction hob.

    Our hob slightly lower than work top, so any spill is retained on the hob, hers was about 1/8" proud of work top, so any spill ran off the hob onto work top, getting anything left on work top wet, since the induction does not get that hot liquid does not turn to steam and stuff in liquid bake onto hob, so it will run onto work tops if the work top is lower.

    Some touch controls do have a single off button for each hob, but mothers you selected which heat area, then pressed up to 10 times to completely turn off hob, so not all touch controls bad, but learn from our error. When looking at demo models bend down to child height and see if a child would see the warning hob hot light.
     
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    veneration... as in burnt offering sacrificed to the venerable god gas ~~sorry, couldn't resist ~~
     
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    Darn spell checkers.

    My daughter has gas, when visiting she filled electric kettle boiled water then poured it into the pan, and I asked why not boil it in the pan, she replied it's faster with kettle, which seemed odd as gas hob 5.5 kW each and kettle 2.8 kW, so she did a demo, and she was right kettle nearly twice as fast as gas.

    So I went home and repeated the experiment, 2.8 kW kettle and 3 kW induction hob, they both took same time. Both cases used kettle as measure so exactly same amount of water in pan and kettle and glass lid on pan.
     
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    Gas hob, double gas oven and yes I do find that. Control of hob, tends to be full on or minimum, with tricky to set in between. I tend to move pans to the edge of the flame / hob, as well as turn to minimum if the centre is too hot. Another issue is the poor support on gas hobs, with pans balanced.

    I must say we do prefer gas though, despite the disadvantages. They are generally more reliable.

    We have never had that issue, though top small oven is a combined oven /grill.
     
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    Nor our oven, I am not convinced it is that useful. Our door open at right angles and works as a shelf whilst sorting things out in the oven.
     
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