Government tries to throw blame on care homes

[Harry Bloomfield]

Some pubs are having to shut again due to spikes in CV, whose fault is that, the government's, or pub owners for not following guidelines ?

As I understood it, they have had to shut because a customer has been in, who has since tested positive.

 

[Ihavenojob]

As I understood it, they have had to shut because a customer has been in, who has since tested positive.

What if other visitors to those pubs contract it and die, who's fault ?If people follow guidelines and contract it, the guidelines are wrong, if they don't follow them, it's their fault (those in charge, not the residents in care homes)

 

[ellal]

Care Agencies are big business, often foreign owned. If, with the level of support they seem to provide to their employees, they cannot make a profit charging a client £19, yet only paying the carer £4.30 (or what ever the minimum wage is) for 30 minutes, there is something very, very wrong.

Indeed.

We have had to organise regular care for an aunt and the cost is £20 an hour with the carers getting £12.

The carers are thus getting more than the minimum wage but they have to pay their own expenses.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

What if other visitors to those pubs contract it and die, who's fault ?If people follow guidelines and contract it, the guidelines are wrong, if they don't follow them, it's their fault (those in charge, not the residents in care homes)

How far do and how long do we go on with isolation? They can only calculate the risks and decide what level of risk is acceptable. Without some risks being accepted, there would be no power, no transport, no food on your table.

 

[ellal]

They can only calculate the risks and decide what level of risk is acceptable.

The problem is borisconi and goebbels appear to be making the decisions not the experts they promised to listen to...

And then they blame anyone else if they get it wrong!

Meanwhile I sense that an ever increasing number of the general population are of the 'sod it' attitude!

 

[ajohn]

Indeed.

We have had to organise regular care for an aunt and the cost is £20 an hour with the carers getting £12.

The carers are thus getting more than the minimum wage but they have to pay their own expenses.

There are other dodges too from talking to some one who is one. Set time for the care and travelling. Some don't walk away if they feel they should stay. One my mom had used to do as much as possible verbally to keep the time she spent with my mom down to a minimum. I eventually found out mom was a bit scared of her. Two ways of looking at that - keeping mom active or getting as much work as possible in the shortest time. There was always some sort of mess up when the company that provided the care were changed as well. Not even turning up can be one of them due to not being given enough time to do what they need to do.

Then came the time for her to go into a home. I visited loads. Really favourable ones were always full up. Some especially larger more commercial ones were not but I wouldn't have been happy with her going there.

 

[trazor]

Meanwhile I sense that an ever increasing number of the general population are of the 'sod it' attitude!

You seriously believe that people will put themselves at risk of serious illness/dying...........Deliberately.

 

[Ihavenojob]

You seriously believe that people will put themselves at risk of serious illness/dying...........Deliberately.

Did you see the pubs on Saturday ? Some people even inject drugs and smoke weed, thick or what?

 

[EFLImpudence]

As I understood it, they have had to shut because a customer has been in, who has since tested positive.

A bit like Leicester.

 

[mitch66]

30 years ago the virus would have taken its course. No media storm, no lwr storm,no lock down.
People would have just gotten on with their lives and buried the dead as usual.

You'd make up any story to malign BJ.
Brexit riles you, Boris riles you, the USa riles you, Mr Trump riles you.
In short.. you are riled.

JohnD, the worlds unhappiest smart arse.

 

[Notch7]

Care Agencies are big business, often foreign owned. If, with the level of support they seem to provide to their employees, they cannot make a profit charging a client £19, yet only paying the carer £4.30 (or what ever the minimum wage is) for 30 minutes, there is something very, very wrong.

yes the bigger agencies are focused on making money. For social service contracts they often do 15 minute calls -what can you do in that time!

my Dad had carers -3 times a day, a local small agency. The carers were lovely, it really made me realise what an under appreciated job it is -and they don't earn much more than somebody working in Tescos.

 

[noseall]

You seriously believe that people will put themselves at risk of serious illness/dying...........Deliberately.

Smokers, boozers, druggies, motorists do it frequently.

 

[Brigadier]

You seriously believe that people will put themselves at risk of serious illness/dying...........Deliberately.

Not so much that, but plenty think it's not likely to happen to them, so don't take it seriously.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

btw that is actually illegal. https://www.gov.uk/minimum-wage-different-types-work

I assume you mean the '...travelling in connection with work, including travelling from one work assignment to another' part. I can only repeat what she was told and why I begged her to drop the job.

She spent her first week in training, full days, then her evenings studying hard. She was unsure whether she had been paid for any of that. Then just two hours paid working time, the following week, then asked to travel two hours unpaid to her next client on the buses. It was only 5 miles away, the next village, but would involve a two hours of travel to the local city centre, then back out. Their alternative suggestion was to walk there and back, which I think was the last straw for her. They had several start at the same time as her, she was the last one to walk out of the job.

 

[ellal]

You seriously believe that people will put themselves at risk of serious illness/dying...........Deliberately.

Not deliberately, but I believe more and more people are prepared to take a risk 'just because'...

In the future it will come to be known as the cummings/johnson effect !