Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Wrong. My faithful lad is English, UK born and bred. I don't know any migrant labourers and have NEVER employed any.

My lad started via the apprenticeship scheme 4 years ago. I kept him on when that scheme finished.

I pay income tax only. I don't fiddle and I have no investments. I will have paid £12'500 in tax by the end of July. That is a big chunk in my book.


I'm sure this can apply to a business person who has investments. All I have is a private pension and some savings in an ISA.

All this from a clueless fascist who does not have any home insurance. You could not make it up!

Self-made, self-employed people are ten a penny. You clearly think it makes you captain of the universe. Whether or not you're telling the truth on any of those points, only you know. What you don't see, and what I do, is that your voting preference comes not from any rationale, or factual basis, it comes from your parents.The same parents that clearly failed to give you a proper education. Think about that.
 
Self-made, self-employed people are ten a penny. You clearly think it makes you captain of the universe. Whether or not you're telling the truth on any of those points, only you know. What you don't see, and what I do, is that your voting preference comes not from any rationale, or factual basis, it comes from your parents.The same parents that clearly failed to give you a proper education. Think about that.
Hawkeye, I do like you, but you are really presuming so much here and being daft. Can you please deal with facts?
 
Am sorry, you cannot guarantee any of that unless you know him? Do you know Noseall outside this forum?
And you still are not explaining about an accountant means paying less tax and it's a immoral thing.

I had an accountant, admittedly my experience is limited as a sole trader. He did my accounts for 2 years, told me the rules, what was exempt etc. After that I did my own accounts because an accountant is expensive, so am guilty of keeping more money for myself there. So am greedy or just someone that Martin Lewis would be pleased with?

Neither of us made it so I paid a penny less than we were due to pay. I didn't pay a penny more either because to do that would be stupid. An accounts job is to make sure the law hasn't be broken for us little guys, to do the paperwork if too busy or confusing to do ourselves. And yes, an accountants job is also to make sure we are entitled to save us money within the rules. What's wrong with that? Why is that you say that to save us money, money saving we are entitled to is a bad thing?

And it's the role of government to make tax as difficult to understand as possible so that you HAVE to employ someone to get it right.

Firstly, money doesn't have owners, it has spenders. ''Within the rules'' is a woolly term, you know that as well as I do. It allows for all sorts of spuriousness, bad practice and outright greed to flourish. All the political parties acquiesce within the framework of this system, always have and probably always will, so what makes us think the answer to societal problems will ever come from politics? Self-maximisation is one of the foundations of this system, on one hand we pay for the good of the many (or so we are told), on the other we are encouraged to save, to hoarde, to stash, for the benefit of ourselves. It's a system with a lot of man-made virtues that have to exist all at one time. A sort of psychosis. Corruption is seen throughout the world, as this is facilitated by the system we currently have, it's confused, because WE are confused. The struggle between one's individual need to save for when times are bad, and on the flipside try to help along our fellow man by giving back what we don't need. Wealth inequality doesn't come about because of a few evil rich people, it comes about because EVERYONE is a willing participant in the charade. We are the system. We walk around faking faith, morals, ethics, but if you focused on what you do in any given day, all those little micro-transactions; you are thinking and acting purely out of self-preservation. This is the system.

The point is, goverment exists as a broker between the haves and the have nots. And those within this power structure are constantly struggling for the top positions. When a power vaccum is formed, those will come along to fill it by telling lies, and spinning untruths to gain confidence of the masses and ultimately end up failing to deliver on their false promises. It's never really been about or race, or religion. These are blunt instruments USED by those with extreme power and wealth to weaken and break down opposition. Usury (the practice of charging huge interest on money) has further worsened all the inequities and inequalties that come from being an imperfect person in an imperfect world. The sheer notion that someone can tick a box on a form, and get their preferred party into power, and that suddenly things will be alright, goes someway to showing how emotionally immature they are, and how fundamentally flawed and naive their understanding of 'people' really is. It's a game. Always has been, and we haven't evolved to the point where it is anything more than this, although we like to think so. Yes, all of us here are fortunate to live in the UK where the standard of living is very high compared to other parts of the world, but how does that come about? Mostly from exploition of the third world (those in the southern hemisphere), who are on treadmills to get us all of lifes little luxuries.This continues on whatever colour of the rainbow happens to hold power in the commons. One day it'll all change up, and perhaps some of us will be able to look back on what politics was REALLY all about.
 
And it's the role of government to make tax as difficult to understand as possible so that you HAVE to employ someone to get it right.
So all those currently using the Self Assessment facility and are submitting returns without accountants, don't exist?
 
So all those currently using the Self Assessment facility and are submitting returns without accountants, don't exist?

No but those such as yourself that want to deprive as much money as they are 'allowed' to deprive from the state as they can, will use tax planners. So actions speak louder than words, and words are cheap - yours are.
 
No but those such as yourself that want to deprive as much money as they are 'allowed' to deprive from the state as they can
Actually it's the opposite. I would avoid a greater amount of income tax if I did the books and returns myself. I pay the full whack. There are no hidden agendas and I don't have a tax planner nor do I know what one is or even if I would have a use for one. What would a tax planner be able to do for me that my accountants can not?

So actions speak louder than words, and words are cheap - yours are.
Seriously bud, go and have that lie down. You are making yourself look a fool with this whole accountant approach.
 
Actually it's the opposite. I would avoid a greater amount of income tax if I did the books and returns myself. I pay the full whack. There are no hidden agendas and I don't have a tax planner nor do I know what one is or even if I would have a use for one. What would a tax planner be able to do for me that my accountants can not?


Seriously bud, go and have that lie down. You are making yourself look a fool with this whole accountant approach.

Bullshit.
 
No but those such as yourself that want to deprive as much money as they are 'allowed' to deprive from the state as they can, will use tax planners. So actions speak louder than words, and words are cheap - yours are.
As you have used the words "allowed to" you have rendered the statement absolute nonsense.

He's not depriving the state by being allowed by the state to pay a certain amount.


If you want to complain about those who evade this certain amount then carry on.

Also complain about the state making rules that allow the wealthy to not pay any tax by pretending to live elsewhere - even parts of the British Isles which are tax havens.
 
Blimey has he got a job :eek::eek:
We all have a job, arse end.
Yours is obviously the most difficult: you have a job, a very excruciatingly difficult job to make coherent comments.
We have a job to make sense of your incoherent comments.
The task of disproving your 'comments' as lies is relatively easy, as is the task of proving you to be a consistent and accomplished liar.

bet his missis is relieved ;) remember him 1st wage packet get a washing machine for her ;)
As your obsession with my missis (sic) :rolleyes: is so permeating your every thought, I thought I would share something with you. It is a little video that I shot while on holiday a while ago. My missis (sic) :rolleyes: was sunbathing on the beach. I thought it might entertain you for a while. Do be careful of the slight swell while you are watching it:

It might give you a clue as to why she has so little need of a washing machine. :ROFLMAO:
 
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Hmmmm tax payers

This is a diy site ? I wonder how many tradesman in here have been approached by customers offering or wanting to pay cash ;)

U know the "cash" payment that might avoid paying VAT ;)

Wonder how many in here have asked to pay "cash" so as to avoid VAT ;)

those who live in glass houses would be advised not to throw stones :) ( Joe Stalin said that ? or may be he did not )
 
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